hueyyeng - thanks! glad that you like the composition so far. and when you are ready to crit just swing away
snasitra - thanks! yes, the composition came out kind of nice, still some tweaks i need to do composition wise, but that is mostly small stuff i guess.
Bhrandon - thanks! good thing you like it and i will see to that you'll get to see the final result.
so, some updates. made the image a little bigger, put some more canvas space on top and at the sides. and added three characters. the top left will be rasputin, the middle one is the russian monk iliodor and the bottom character is russian bishop germogen. each with their own view of their religion. these three characters were somewhat connected in early 1900, though they represent three other characters in my image.
Hey there. Loved your stuff on Gameartisans for DWIV. Looking forward to seeing this progress . . . really interesting so far. I dig the fluidity of your style. Good luck, I'll be watching this one closely.
davidherd - hey! thanks! your demon princess was cool too, had a nice eerie feeling to it. but i felt i just put too much stuff into my DWIV entry, kind of lost the control on that one. learnd a lot from that one and have found a new favorite brush since then so i hope i can execute this one i a better way. thanks and good luck to you too!
so, a small update. have added all the key characters in this drama. though i am not really sure about the positions just yet i think...
so now, i will try to explain my idea behind my newborn.
i started to think about famous births and really got stuck on the birth of jesus. i am not religous and i do not mean to offend anyone, this is just my take on this virgin birth and some of my thoughts around it, if anyone has different though you are free to speak.
just the fact that a virgin would give birth seemed strange enough so i kind of twisted that concept a little. instead my jesus was born from the pages of the bible, so this was how the origami son came to mind. seemed like a fair enough alternative to a virgin birth i thought and dug deeper trying to find more symbolisms around this newborn.
i started to think of the three wise men and Joseph, the husband to the virgin Mary, who must have had some serious though of being cheated by her. i guess he though a virgin birth sounds just as crazy as i. and then the four horsmen of the apocalypse came to mind and i sew them into the patchwork as well.
i though that the three wise men and God could be the same characters as the four horsemen. here i chose the russian starets Rasputin to be one of the wise men and the horseman with the white horse, the white horse is sometimes said to be a false prophet witch suited him quite well. then i chose Iliodor a russian monk who went somewhat crazy and had some anti semitic views to be the red horseman, witch is the horseman of war. the third wise man is set to be Germogen a fairly normal russian bishop, he is the black horseman, this horseman has a scale in his hand and as Germogen probably was a quite normal man that could be a nice way to see him as knowing right from wrong.
i myself don't think that religion is wrong, and it can probably be a good guide in many ways but there is still a lot of things that needs to be questioned. here i think about the evolution. God created the earth in the bible, and if you believe that the entire world before man is wiped away, i also wanted to take this into my picture so in the lower left corner the pages from the bible is flying out in the air wiping away the dinosaurs. on the lower right corner the pages of the bible will turn into war characters, probably a knight from the holy crusades and a tank from more modern warfare. the origami boy will also have a sand galss in each hand, the one on the left will refer to the dinosaurs and the sand will run upwards to show that the time is going backwards showing the past, and the right hand sand glass will be a regular one to show time going on from the birth of the paperboy jesus and forward to our present time.
oh, i don't know if i made any sense. and my english might have been a little poor at some times. but i hope you got the idea, if you cared to read this far
so, i numbered the image to make out some characters.
1. the origami son jesus, our NEWBORN, folded from the bible by his virgin mother.
2. the virgin mary, professional origamist.
3. the envious joseph seen with a hammer and a piece of wood. this wasn't really the way he thought he would become a "father".
4. god, giving life to the origami boy through mary with one hand around her face and the other on her belly.
5.the fourth horseman of the apocalypse, death, wich is the same as god in my case. holding the star to guide the three wise men. seen with his skullfaced horse.
6. rasputin the first wise man with his gift.
7. the first of the four horsmen of the apocalypse, the false prophet, the same character as rasputin.
8. iliodor the second wise man with gift.
9. the second horseman, the red horseman of war, same character as iliodor.
10. germogen, the third wise man on his stead, also with a gift in his hand.
11. the black horseman, same as charcter germogen.
12. the dinosaurs that were wiped away by the creation theory in the bible.
13. hloly crusaders born from the pages of the bible.
too much text i know... i'm exhausted
so much more fun to draw than type...
Some really nice work, and a really different take on the subject! Though I'm a bit concerned you would think Rasputin to be a wise man- though he was a man of the east- as the wise men came from the east. Did you know that it doesn't actually say in the Bible that there were 3 wise men- only that there were 3 gifts- and the wise men could have been 2 or 200! And you're right about Joseph, he was actually going to break off his engagement to Mary when an Angel came and told him who the Father really was and what his son was going to do. When Jesus started teaching a lot of the people who grew up with him couldn't accept him, and many still doubted his legitimacy. He also had brothers and sisters- and this is the thing that bugs me the most- many still call Jesus' mum the Virgin Mary- though she had many more kids after him- so she wasn't a virgin for long! By the way I'm a Christian feel free to ask me any questions- hopefully I can help.
DefiledVisions - man tackar! yeah, pretty much have everything in place now so the fleshing out has started.
Belinda Morris - thanks! and thanks for the great feedback, i admit i don't really know much about the bible, just the basic stuff i guess. just see my piece as my alternative version of the birth of jesus, set in russia at the early 1900.
and i don't really mean rasputin to be a wise man, though i guess he was somewhat smart fooling a lot of people into believing him. but his lifestyle wasn't that good, horny bastard. but he fit the connection with the false prophet in my apocalypse theory. as for the monk iliodor, i can't say he was that wise either, probably less wise than rasputin. but still, they are just b-role actors in my picture. and about that virgin mary, i actually did not know jesus had any brothers or sisters, actually i don't know much about jesus childhood at all. but still se is famous for her virgin birth so i guess people recognize her for that. and i have to says i have been thinking about reading the bible, not for any religious purposes, but for the stories though. my favorite book, The Master and Margarita, touches an alternative scenario of the crucifiction of jesus. i could really recommend it, if you like somewhat surreal stories. great book. thanks for your help and views! i'll defenetly ask some questions if they pops to mind
so, to sum it up. my newborn tells the alternative story of the birth of jesus that eventually brings the apocalypse, all set in russia, early 1900. with a glims of both the past and the future... note: and i will probably put kreml in the open space to the right in the picture.