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    Well, I suppose that the most "orthodox" idea of a vampire would be that found in Brahm Stoker's book Dracula. (NOT the movie, "Brahm Stoker's Dracula.")Its been a while since Ive read it, but as far as I understand, for the time it was written it was basically a mishmash of the older legends of vampires given in a way that bought them together in a very cool monster.

    Being that all evil is protrayed by humans as what is negative in themselves I partially agree with Duq's assertion that "Vampires represent a negative side of humans." However, I think it goes farther than that; vampires represent evil that transcends humanity. In what I consider the most myseterious and creepy accounts of vampirism it is portrayed as a form of demonic posession, in which the soul of the one bitten is damned to watch the acts of their body without any control over it, never being released untill the body is destroyed by sunlight, a stake through the heart, or other methods, often representing ritualistic significance. If anything struck me when reading the orriginal Dracula it was that for the moment between the death of the vampire and disintegration of the body it was always specified that the face took on a look of sublime peace, that they were finally released from their tortured existance.

    The idea that the Vampire is the same person as the one who was orriginally human returns humanity to it, and with the humanity comes lust, and with lust comes sexuality. Granted the lust is bloodlust so suddenly the sexuality becomes blood related as well. It should be pointed out that sexuality appears in earlier depections of vampires as well, however, it was always an act on the part of the vampire, and represented sinful temptation rather than an actual sexual desire on the part of the vampire. It was like sirens or succubi/incubi; feigning sexual invitations as a way of leading a mortal to his/her doom.

    Plus, what I want to know is whats with the modern vampire look? What happened to the cool castles and capes and stuff? I mean, I realise they get kind of close with some of the goth stuff, but now whenever they go with that it looks like vampires are copying goth rather than goth copying vampires, and it makes me want to go berserk.

    I do suppose that the anime "Helsing" series is unique in its portrayal, and I like that. I also like that it keeps a lot of the cool religious bits... though it distorts them... which I guess is ok as it is another culture's take on it and pulls it off in a way that is figgin' awesome.

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    This is why I prefer werewolves, they're big, hairy, mean and eat raw meat. Screw the emo pansy romance novel vampires. It's also why I like the Nosferatu version of vampire.

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    Vampires vs. Politicians?

    My money's on the politician.

    Vampires in fiction is as played out as the serial killer.

    Give the masses mediocrity, don't aim for something unique, and you'll be just fine.

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    Another reason to read Apuleius: Book 5, where the witches Panthia and Meroe commence to thoroughly draining one Socrates of Larissa, in classical Vampire fashion. More engaging than a film, and half as expensive.

    You might also read Byron as well, since he's still the godfather of the Romantic Vampire (beating out Stoker by more than half a century.) Sex and Vampires have pretty much inseparable ever since. Which makes sense when you consider the origins of most the folk legends. Whether they throw off a nice Mormon glow when sunlight hits them, or explode into puddles of oozing gore, is pretty incidental.

    I think its rather cool that the ladies have been stepping up to flesh out this part of the horror genre lately, throwing their own twist on things. I know "Interview with the Vampire" was in heavy rotation, and my girlfriend couldn't get enough of True Blood and those Stephenie Meyer books. And why not? There's only so much you can do with the Slavic and German folklore, and that ground has been pretty well trod already. Anything that gets a 14 year old to put down the iphone for half a minute and crack a book these days, is alright by me.



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    I liked twilight...........................
    Everyone seems to hate, but really if you're a teen girl it's has a whole new meaning to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilnebo View Post
    I liked twilight...........................
    Everyone seems to hate, but really if you're a teen girl it's has a whole new meaning to it
    Sorry to say, but I think thats why we hate it.

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    Vampires + sunlight should involve a whole bunch of biting, exploding, screaming and catching fire.

    That's just how it works.

    Sparkling should not be an option.

    How crap would it be being the most rubbish vampire of all time?

    "Oh yeah dude, I caught some rays the other day, Cousin Ted totally exploded in a screaming fireball, Ted's Old school though, , I just chilled, didn't bite anything and kinda...sparkled..It was alright, then I wrote some angsty poems and sucked some more.."

    GET OUT! YOU ARE RUINING MY MYTHOLOGY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasonwclark View Post
    You might also read Byron as well, since he's still the godfather of the Romantic Vampire (beating out Stoker by more than half a century.)
    Although if you're referring to the Vampyre, it was actually written by John Polidori.

    Check out Carmilla as well.


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    Daybreakers looks like an interesting take on the genre



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    Quote Originally Posted by squidmonk3j View Post
    ...and soon we will see the Princess kiss the Frog only to become a frog herself. And little princesses everywhere are fondling plastic unicorns made in China.

    Mythology isn't what is used to be, and Walt Disney is the Great Deceiver
    She turns into a frog because she herself is not a princess. She's at a costume ball. I think thats a pretty creative twist.

    Meh. I don't like the Twilight take on vamps. I especially don't like it because Meyers has never read/seen a single important vampire film or book. She just made up her whole entire folklore.

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    Now THESE are Vampires! Left-Max Schreck right-Klaus Kinski



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    A vampire is just somebody with a neck fetish and lactose intolerance who smells funny.

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    What's interesting is reading Wikipedia's description of how they're supposed to look. Methinks Bella would've gotten quite a shock if Edward looked like this

    Vampires were usually reported as bloated in appearance, and ruddy, purplish, or dark in colour; these characteristics were often attributed to the recent drinking of blood. Indeed, blood was often seen seeping from the mouth and nose when one was seen in its shroud or coffin and its left eye was often open.[27] It would be clad in the linen shroud it was buried in, and its teeth, hair, and nails may have grown somewhat, though in general fangs were not a feature.[28]

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    Pff.

    My favourite vampires are all the ones written during the victorian era to warn off girls from lesbianism. They made these incredibly sexy, power vampire women seduce all these gorgeous but naive and honest upper class girls and then one of two things happen: the girls fall for it, and suffer horrible greusome 'cleansing' deaths, or the vampire is totally slaughtered by the girl's 'admirer' who saves her and then they get married. It's a great source of really hot lesbian erotica when it was very very very not allowed! Hence all the terrible endings.

    ahem. My point is, lesbian vampires all the way.

    yum.

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    No one mentions the darker side of vampires?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Coene View Post
    Plus, what I want to know is whats with the modern vampire look? What happened to the cool castles and capes and stuff? I mean, I realise they get kind of close with some of the goth stuff, but now whenever they go with that it looks like vampires are copying goth rather than goth copying vampires, and it makes me want to go berserk.
    Goth looks have often been Vampire inspired. You just have to look at Dave Vanian (the clue is in the name) from The Damned, one of the seminal Goth looks, or Pete Murphy from Bauhaus. Siouxsie Sioux etc... It's just gone full circle. Goth emulated the Victorian vampire look, modern writers (such as Poppy Z Brite etc) make their Vampires look like Goths. I'm actually wondering if Dave Vanian really is a vampire as he never seems to get any older...

    And Daestwen... couldn't agree more!

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    Personally I prefer the type of vampires that have a unique design/element to them. There are tonnes of possibilities for making great characters and It almost seems that some people aren't taking full advantage of it.

    I really like the vampires from the legacy of Kain series. It's a cool idea that they slowly evolve overtime into more hideous forms, such as this guy below.

    Interesting topic, It's made me want to go draw some vampires now!





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    The whole melancholy, romanticised-eroticised shapeshifting creature of the night praying on lustful wayward maidens aspect was perfect in Dracula... but it feels old and tired in anything more modern. Remember seeing Underworld a few years ago and from what I recall, all the vampires in it did was sit around in a big castle looking vaguely pissed off about something.

    I preferred the sort of feral vampires in I Am Legend, although the film itself was very tedious. The I guess it'd be nice to see people trying to take it in different directions.

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    While we all have our own ideas of exactly what a vampire should be, over the centuries things have been boiled down to three basic rules for a vampire archetype:

    1.) A vampire is undead
    2.) A vampire drinks blood to survive
    3.) A vampire can only come out at night (because the sun will either kill them, or cause them serious harm)

    We might disagree on the details, but in genenral we can all agree on this much. So when someone messes around with these basics I believe there should be some backlash, even if it is just some dude on a blog (like me) bitching about it.

    As far as twilight goes, I think the guys over a CRACKED.COM have a pretty good take on it.

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    What's wrong with making up your own fantasies or mythologies? Why do you have to follow what everyone else has done?

    EDIT- not that it's a bad thing if you do, I don't see why there has to be a backlash about it if you don't though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poshspice View Post
    I'm actually wondering if Dave Vanian really is a vampire as he never seems to get any older...
    I dunno, Dave is looking more like the Penguin than the Count these days .



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    Quote Originally Posted by wiggum View Post
    So when someone messes around with these basics I believe there should be some backlash, even if it is just some dude on a blog (like me) bitching about it.
    How old are you?


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    Sparkly vampires?

    Seriously?



    That's crap, I knew that Twilight had made Vampires into moody emos but I never thought....sparkly?!?

    I am shocked and ashamed to have ever been a vampire.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Poshspice View Post
    Goth looks have often been Vampire inspired. You just have to look at Dave Vanian (the clue is in the name) from The Damned, one of the seminal Goth looks, or Pete Murphy from Bauhaus. Siouxsie Sioux etc... It's just gone full circle.
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    What a great pic! He's a star! Sadly the South Park link doesn't work for Brits, although they do say sorry England.

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    you'll probably dislike me, since I suck paper instead of blood. I only sparkle when I wear my bling, though. ; )

    and yeah, 'let the right one' in was great, and the dubbing was not. as far as 'twilight', I haven't read the book or seen the movie. I don't plan to. I doubt i would like it. however if people are happy and enjoying it, and it's causing kids to pick up a book and read, then it's alright by me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poshspice View Post
    What a great pic! He's a star! Sadly the South Park link doesn't work for Brits, although they do say sorry England.
    Try this.


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