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    The Golden Mean/Ratio...

    So I've begun taking some fundamental art history/discussion classes in college this summer, and one thing that has struck my interest has been the golden mean / golden ratio. We touched very lightly on the subject (where it came from, and examples of its use), but I've been unable to really draw any further information out of my instructors or our tests on the details of its application in art.

    Are there any good source material anyone knows about discussing its use in art? How it is figured in terms of an image's composition (like in The Creation of Adam)? How, if you wanted to experiment around, you might best employ the ideas surrounding the golden mean and proportions? Moreover, I'm just interested in the details of its application, how artists use it, etc.

    Thanks for anyone who has any nice links!


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    Myron Barnstone teaches it and has a few videos on his web page.

    Here's one http://www.barnstonestudios.com/z/vi...ideo_demo.html

    also Juliette Aristides talks about it in the beggining of her Drawing Atelier book.

    and check out The Elements of Dynamic Symmetry by Jay Hambidge
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    I'm watching those youtube Barnstone videos right now, really great stuff. I'm at the "what is art?" video, and that gives some really good info in just 10 minutes, very clear diagrams, and what he says about subliminally communicating to the audience is really important. He gets right down to business. Good find.
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    For quite a good account of both the maths and the history of the myths see Mario Livio's paperback "The Golden Ratio"

    http://www.amazon.com/Golden-Ratio-W.../dp/0767908163

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    Myron Barnstone teaches it and has a few videos on his web page.

    Here's one http://www.barnstonestudios.com/z/vi...ideo_demo.html
    Fantastic info. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zazerzs View Post
    Myron Barnstone teaches it and has a few videos on his web page.

    Here's one http://www.barnstonestudios.com/z/vi...ideo_demo.html

    also Juliette Aristides talks about it in the beggining of her Drawing Atelier book.

    and check out The Elements of Dynamic Symmetry by Jay Hambidge
    Awesome, I just realized that his studio is about 40 min driving distance from my house. I may have to take a class or two and check it out. Thanks for the link.

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    haha i got pretty into this whole deal last year in art class, and surprisingly wikipedia actually has a pretty good bit of info on it

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

    enjoy, i'll be checking out all these links others have posted too!

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    Here's more:

    http://www.fredmartin.net/Essays/Geometry5-2005.pdf

    There's also something called "The Painter's Secret Geometry," which you can google.

    Search for "whirling squares" as well.
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    This person does a good job debunking some of the claims a lot of writings make, about painters and the reason of the existence of a Golden ratio. I highly recommend reading this.

    The point he makes is that the golden ratio does indeed exist, but only for a functional reason, not for aesthetic reason, it's nature's way to be efficient. Although some people now claim that that in itself is also untrue, that nature does not use golden ratios per-se (many sea-shells deviate from the Golden ratio). So the only reason for it existence that you can be sure off atm, is a mathematical one.

    http://www.maa.org/devlin/devlin_06_04.html
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    Quickest way to ruin art for me is to present it as a branch of maths! I don't believe a word of it, when Barnstone makes out that Rubens worked out all these squares and grids and proportions to draw his wife's face. If the points match up it's just one of those things that make up the mysteries of the universe. Beyond basic guidelines to ensure symmetry, I don't think any of this complex geometry applies in the drawing of a portrait.
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    He used known conventions of the time intelligently to produce a desired effect. Its not all a coincidence or something mysterious, it was deliberate and created by a master. To say that it is happenstance just insults Rubens and demeans his work.
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    edit: was rude again
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