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    Post Fighting the illusion

    Is it just me, or has life changed?

    Everyone seems to be trying to get to bigger and better heights, and put others down as they do so.

    We criticise others even though we know we can't do nearly as well as them.

    Even on this site, we are constantly taking part in a rat race, seeing who's good at what, trying to make ourselves feel better and others feel worse.

    Is life in general just the same old rat race?

    Do we only seek to be superior before we fall into the abyss?

    Because everyone will fall, and it doesn't really matter who you are and what you've done.

    On my other sites, it's the same. At school, plastic looking girls put down those who are not as slutty, and goodlooking as them.

    Is this really such a good world? Our democracy, our laws, our "equal treatment", all is an illusion.

    Fight for what you want because there's no other way to reach it, no other way to escape your dreams into reality.

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    Im not wise yet in the ways of the world, but i can say one thing, i dont think that people striving to be better than the rest has ever been different in this last 2 centuries.

    People have always tried to make thier mark on the world in the only way they think they can, and thats by belittling others. Ill admit, im a big partaker in this rat race as it is the only way to succeed in this industry, but when i criticise somone it is usually only if i actually can do better, or if thier goals do seem to be missing the mark; But in the end my goal isnt to be the best, no it is to create something truly special, it doesnt need to be world wide popular, nor does it need to be so jampacked full of awesome that it makes eyeballs explode. No i want to create something that makes people think and feel good.

    I want to create an unforgettable experience for the audience of my work, i dont know what format it will be, because that matters not, whether it be game, movie, book, comic, screenplay or some unseen new futuristic format.
    That is my ultimate goal, but sadly tis rat race is the fastest way to make it there.

    The main thing you can do though is ignore the people that do it just to make themselves feel bigger, and try and associate yourself with actual good people, inetellectual people that are in it for something more than marking life with thier piss stain in the snow. But finding these people is very hard indeed as society is based around the rat race, and it is a major contributor into why society has advanced so far in recent years.

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    you raise a solid point in that the world we live in is not all its cracked up to be. i do, however, find it a little hard to lump the nature of this community in with the likes of vapid schoolgirls.. the purpose of CA is for the overall betterment of art, not to put others down in order to construct some strange schoolyard hierarchy. CA isnt a popularity contest. art is subjective, and one only needs to pursue it as far as one needs to to be content in ones own work - you dont have to impress anyone else if youre okay with just impressing yourself. CA is for those who welcome the constructive criticisms, who take them on and use them as fuel for their own artistic exploits. make the most of the hand youre dealt, and youll do just fine

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    Fighting the illusion Fighting the illusion Fighting the illusion Fighting the illusion
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    I blame the internet/myspace, and cellphones for all of the assholes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoph View Post
    CA is for those who welcome the constructive criticisms, who take them on and use them as fuel for their own artistic exploits.
    Wouldn't it be better to develope observational skills of your own, so that you may correct your own mistakes instead of depending on others. Just a random question really, not on the offensive..

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    critiques are more so for those who are early on in their artistic journeys. thats not to say that seasoned professionals are beyond critiques or improvement, but usually by the time that they've made it as an artist that theyve worked out most of the kinks in their work and know what their doing, you know? sometimes, its best for others to point out stuff that you yourself may not be able to step back and see

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    Very Valid Point

    As if there was truth in the saying "There can only be one" it is becoming more and more aggressive and hostile. It's a dog eat dog and if I can't get there I'll drag you down to my level mentality.

    It's a shame for many younger people who are just now going out on there own and were brought up with idealistic views of life only to be let down by reality. Thank you for sharing that perspective.




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    I don't agree. Availability of information via the media and the internet skews people's observation of the world. The media spreads fear to promote profit and the unquestioning public amplify that through the internet, reaching even more people who are even less questioning, provoking a spiral or paranoia and nonsense. That's the illusion.

    As for "constantly taking part in a rat race, seeing who's good at what, trying to make ourselves feel better and others feel worse" that's fine, with the exception of the last part which by-and-large doesn't happen. What's wrong with "seeing who's good at what"? What's wrong with trying to make ourselves feel better? For that matter, what's wrong with a bit of self-confidence once in a while, a bit of self-promotion? No reason why that should make other people feel bad about themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Impossible View Post
    I don't agree. Availability of information via the media and the internet skews people's observation of the world. The media spreads fear to promote profit and the unquestioning public amplify that through the internet, reaching even more people who are even less questioning, provoking a spiral or paranoia and nonsense. That's the illusion.

    As for "constantly taking part in a rat race, seeing who's good at what, trying to make ourselves feel better and others feel worse" that's fine, with the exception of the last part which by-and-large doesn't happen. What's wrong with "seeing who's good at what"? What's wrong with trying to make ourselves feel better? For that matter, what's wrong with a bit of self-confidence once in a while, a bit of self-promotion? No reason why that should make other people feel bad about themselves.

    I'm not getting at self promotion, even if vanity is an increasing problem with people I know, I'm just trying to make you people think more on what we're aiming at, and whether we have to stand on other people to reach our goal, or if some people step on others out of choice.

    We don't have to make others look small to make us look big.

    I've heard many elderly people regret that they were more concerned with getting to the top of their profession, and that they should have spent time doing something else, raising a family, living their lives.

    My point is, do what you want to do, while you still can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interceptor View Post
    Fighting the illusion
    Fighting the illusion

    As to backstabbing and ladderclimbing, thats the history of all mankind. But I have yet to see any of that here in the CA. Unlike other places this is the most cohesive and supportive sight I have ever been on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Touchstone View Post
    I'm not getting at self promotion, even if vanity is an increasing problem with people I know, I'm just trying to make you people think more on what we're aiming at, and whether we have to stand on other people to reach our goal, or if some people step on others out of choice.

    We don't have to make others look small to make us look big.
    I agree with that, of course, but I'm just wondering where you see this happening. If someone willfully belittles someone else then clearly that's not a good thing. A distinction does need to be made between this and progressing in business, however. If you don't sell yourself then you don't succeed in business, whether it be art or industry or in the City or whatever.

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    I've heard many elderly people regret that they were more concerned with getting to the top of their profession, and that they should have spent time doing something else, raising a family, living their lives.
    That's different, that's just screwed priorities and people just not taking the trouble to think for themselves. Everyone else goes out to work 5 days a week, 47 weeks a year, so duh, I guess I'll just follow what they do. I mentioned people being brainwashed by the media but this is an example of being brainwashed by society. When they realised they've lived like a sheep for 70 years it's normally too late.

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    My point is, do what you want to do, while you still can.
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    Personally I've found CA to be one of the few places where it isn't a rat race, everyone's very good natured and helpful, and any envy over someone else's work is channeled into a productive drive to get better rather than as overly critical outbursts and personal attacks. It's one of the few places that professionals can give advice to novices without condescending to them

    Now I'm by no means old or wise, but I've found in my limited experience that the more happy someone is with themselves, the happier they are with everyone else, there's a parable about this but the short version is "a man with a heart of shit will see everyone else as shit. A man with heart of gold, will see everyone else as gold"
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    Is it just me, or has life changed?

    No, just what you see and how you understand it.

    Everyone seems to be trying to get to bigger and better heights, and put others down as they do so.

    Progression goes to bigger and better places. Putting someone down doesn't mean they have to stay down.

    We criticise others even though we know we can't do nearly as well as them.

    Everyone's is a critic.

    Even on this site, we are constantly taking part in a rat race, seeing who's good at what, trying to make ourselves feel better and others feel worse.

    Art is not a race, we all work in our own pace at our own level. If you feel worse because others are doing better then you're looking at it the wrong way.
    Critiques are for helping, not for discouragement. I've seen a bunch of people thinking they'll be praised and just become dissapointed because we don't care about praise as much here, we care about progressing art. Which isn't always nice and definitely not easy.

    Is life in general just the same old rat race?

    If you want it to be then go ahead and make it that, just don't expect others to play along.

    Do we only seek to be superior before we fall into the abyss?

    I don't know about you but I'm worried about happiness before superiority (though I guess in a way being happy can be superior). Happiness though is very subjective, one man's enjoyment is another man's torture. So you can find that being superior is infact what some people are after because it makes them happy.

    Because everyone will fall, and it doesn't really matter who you are and what you've done.

    People can be remembered after they die. Not all though, so just make sure you have a good run through life and you'll feel ok by the end.

    On my other sites, it's the same. At school, plastic looking girls put down those who are not as slutty, and goodlooking as them.

    What do you think of yourself? That's more important. Personally, I was put down constantly during my school years, I look different, I act different and instead of bringing myself down with the help of everyone else I stuck to making sure I felt happy.

    Is this really such a good world? Our democracy, our laws, our "equal treatment", all is an illusion.

    No form of government or society is perfect. Don't expect others to make your life wonderful, that's your job.

    Fight for what you want because there's no other way to reach it, no other way to escape your dreams into reality.

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    Competition is healthy. And I believe people keep trying to reach new hights in order to become more secure than before. People are critical of each other mostly out of concern. Maybe for themselves, because they're afraid of making the same mistakes, but also as to guide others away from wrongdoings. But belittling others only gives a false sense of security. In stead of improving yourself you make others smaller. It will probably become your own downfall in the end, because most of the people you belittle will struggle to become stronger while you're still pretending to be better.
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    every people have a diferent point of view. as somene said before interned have changed too many things, you see dinosaurs, weird animals,, robots... porn XDD.

    some time ago gozillla was a great monster mazinger Z was a great robot, we have changed, could be good or bad....people need see new things to get surprised and the artist want make this new things,

    that is my point of view

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    This thread gives me a very strong "college philosophy major sitting in a starbucks" vibe.

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    Whoa!! I'm in college...I want to be in starbucks. I'm discovering truths no one has every discovered before...except everybody else?.

    Where's robert B when you need him we had a conversation concerning this and how all should give themselves up to the universe.

    On a serious note. It is true humans are vain by nature, and in our vanity we compete even subconsciously. Thats why you have to become aware of it, and squash it.

    Now I'm off on a journey of self-discovery seeking the universal truths that will elevate me to enlightenmnt. (I hope that actually happens, that would be awesome)

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    Touchstone, no, it's not just you. It's pretty much everyone who was ever your age. The world is a much more complicated, less secure place than it was just a few years ago, and will ever be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    Touchstone, no, it's not just you. It's pretty much everyone who was ever your age. The world is a much more complicated, less secure place than it was just a few years ago, and will ever be so.
    Drop some wisdom on us. I always want to walk into the barnes and noble down by SVA and sit down waiting for some art students to talk about existentialism. God knows I get enough of it at my school I need more!

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    The greatest artists in the world are not competitors. Geniuses are not geniuses because they bring down others. They are what they are because they want to become better than themselves. They want to show their world to others in the most vivid way possible. They want to tell a story, and that's what gives them the riches. They dig the mind of others to reach the heights of their own imagination and not to destroy others. There are people out there who take down others to survive. That completely human, however, that desperation can be seen very clearly. It is different when someone draws for themselves then it when they draw for attention.

    Cockiness is a horrible trait that no artist should have. It not only stunts social growth, but an artistic one.
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    IMHO, the world has become more arrogant, ignorant and mean-spirited.
    This community has great resources, to improve as an artist, more than anywhere else, I know of.
    I have not been here very long, but I know my work has improved, as well as my perception of it.
    Of all of the places in our community, the last place to find those resources is in the lounge.
    I spend as little time here as possible.
    In my view of our community, I sit down at the table and take freely of what is good here, while sharing the best of what I have to offer.
    I leave the bullshit on the table and I strive to leave my shit at the door.
    I love to make art, I love to help others overcome whatever blocks their way to make art and I am always humbled and grateful when someone here does the same for me.
    I personally love this place and many of the talents who are here, beyond that, don’t sweat the silly shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward Cherniga View Post
    Of all of the places in our community, the last place to find those resources is in the lounge.
    I spend as little time here as possible.
    Amen to that. If I'd have painted instead of posting crap and reading crap on this forum I'd be twice as good by now. So, since this is my 500th post it seems fitting that it's the last one I'll ever post in the Lounge. A self-imposed ban, starting... now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mock View Post
    This thread gives me a very strong "college philosophy major sitting in a starbucks" vibe.
    Made me LOL.

    Never taken philosopy, still in high school, and don't drink coffee, but yeah I get your point.

    I just prefer to question where I'm going and what I'm willing to do to get there, as opposed to just following the rest of the bunch of sheep.

    Baron, I get your point too, but I'm not here to "post crap and read crap", I want to make the rest of the world think, and get what you guys believe in the progress.

    What I'm starting to do with my artwork is the same, trying to put across a mood, an emotion, a sense of what I feel and think.

    Words alone cannot convey our deepest desires and fears, that's why I became an artist, albeit a noobish and lazy one.

    You understand?

    I think too much, too deeply, I admit it.

    But I'm worried about those who don't seem to think at all.


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    It's playground pshychology. It's unavoidable.

    Minds try each other. Jedi stuff...

    You can't really get rid of that, the only way is to study it. My best school was pandemonium.

    I had a dream once visiting the big university in the sky.. My first day we went through huge doorway's and it was a huge cathedral full of art and stuff. Huge white and gldish place. There was a professor in the doorway sitting by a little table, rather chubby and grey with a tan suit to match the cathedral. He handled the newcomers one by one as we where made to que up. When I got to him, I remember asking him about pandemonium trying to sound smart from looking at some of the paintngs. He looked a little excited and gave me a voucher and said that this was a voucher for some beers at the schoolground bar and that I where to go there that night and wait. I thought he was going to meet me there but instead there was these two jackasses cracking jokes and mocking me.

    It keeps you on your toes. And who would shoot a clown? ever saved a drowning clown?,... You never know if they are really drowning or just faking it. Been there too, not fun.. "drowning" and everyone thinks you are pretending... but the best thing that can happen to you in such a situation, when all hope is lost and the waters have grown past your eyes, when you have almost given up hope is when a blessing get's send down from the heavens in your moment of need and utter dispair, a little voice coming down from the heavens, with urgent speed coming down to just in the nick of time whispering in your ears.. "swim stupid"
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    This thread reminds me of several years ago when schools in some state wanted to ban kids from playing tag because the fat and unathletic kids could never win and lost self-esteem. While we're at it, lets just ban all forms of art and sports b/c it makes people feel bad about themselves. -_-
    http://http://www.foxnews.com/story/...,55836,00.html

    Even on this site, we are constantly taking part in a rat race, seeing who's good at what, trying to make ourselves feel better and others feel worse.
    Ummm no? I'm pretty sure like 5 people have already said this, but just for emphasis, critiques aren't supposed to make you feel good on the inside, they're supposed to make you better. And nobody is trying to themselves feel better and others feel worse through that. When I critique somebody, I say "Looks pretty good, but could use a bit more contrast on the left side" If i wanted to make somebody feel bad, I would say "Hey jackass, you need more contrast on the left, any moron would see that. Btw tell your mom we're on again for tonight. Oh and heres a link to my sketchbook b/c your shitty drawing skills need help"

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    I'm fine with the competition. I'm fine with people dragging themselves along by their fingernails, fighting whatever or whoever stands in the way of getting to their own personal idea of success. What I'm not ok with are certain ways that people do that; people who use their celebrity and push it as some form of authority, or take the publicity that they have and use it to defame others.

    I should also add that I'm sick of watching fledgeling artists trying to suck up to said celebrity artists, especially when the ass that they have their nose shoved up starts getting full of itself.
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    We'd never get anywhere if everything was "good enough". If you fail, try again. Or don't, and prove darwin right.

    I firmly disagree with the statement that by pushing yourself into doing better than others you're putting them down. You're just raising the bar of humanity as a whole. By forcing others to shape up and keep up you're further contributing to raising this bar. If we were to lower expectations and waiting for our peers to catch up we'd be neck deep in mediocrity, and we would stagnate as a race. (not that we aren't already neck deep in mediocrity, but at least there's someone out there running the "rat race" to get breaths of fresh air into this world. )

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    Territorial pissings...
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