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    A Limit to the Growth of Ability?

    Do you think some people have the potential to only go so far in the skill level of their art? Like they just hit a wall, and even through continuous studies, their ability just falls idle and cannot progress further.

    This is my worst fear. That or the possibility that, yeah, I may get good - but I'll never produce anything other than generic, uninteresting static.


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    as a veteran around here id like to chime in, i think theres a limit to ones growth.. im never gonna be as good as jason chan or some of the other ppl i look up to..

    i think its like with everything... someones always gonna be better then u, all u can do is dream

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    Or work your ass off and make yourself like Jason Chan, etc. but with your own brand. Self-defeat right at the get-go is poisonous. Someone's always going to be better than you but you're going to be better than someone else. As long as you don't let fear paralyze you, you always have a chance.

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    I don't care about someone being better than me, that's just fine. However I have a notion that I might hit a limit with how far I can take my art, and that I wouldn't be able to reach a level to make a living off art. I'm not worried, I never worry - It's just a rarley occurring thought, none obstructive to my motivation. (I'm not whining)

    But the original question was "Do you think people can have a limit on their ability to progress artistically?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by riceface View Post
    as a veteran around here id like to chime in
    when does 10 months equal veteran,
    and when does how long you've been a member of a forum equal how much you know (or don't as the case may be)

    I say there probably are limits to growth, but you'll never know where they are until you hit them. And they might be temporary so even then you are doing yourself a disservice by paying them any attention.

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    We all have limits and most of us aren't going to be the next Sargent or anything, but unless you develop some kind of memento disease you aren't going to lose the ability to learn. In psychology class I was told that long term memory has infinite storage. The hard part is transferring things from your short term to your long term memory.

    Everyone I can think of who stopped growing is someone who gave up. One of the nice thing about art is that artists typically get better as they age, not worse, even at very old ages.

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    No one knows what they're capable of and some people give up too easily or soon. If you're not progressing with one method of study, try another. Keep pushing and you might amaze yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riceface View Post
    im never gonna be as good as jason chan or some of the other ppl i look up to..
    Really? That sucks for you huh...

    I'm gonna be every bit as good as chan, and whit and jaime jones and james paick and james jean and pretty much everyone else I look up to.

    Man, I love opening these threads up where effectively every thread starter is so content with pigeonholing themselves into mediocrity and finding complacency in that mediocrity. And there's just so many of them lately it's so reassuring to me that with this many people willing to strive for less and look for their limits and be bound to them that people like me who will be better will have no issues in finding a job in the future. Honestly, it helps cheer me up every time... :|

    I've seen what determination can do. Hell, I've lived it. Coming from an impoverished part of mexico where my family, my cousins family and my grandparents were all living in what was essentially a wooden box sharing a kitchen and a bathroom with our neighbors. Where I had never even heard the word draw and the closest thing I had come to art was the caricature on the chocolate milk bottles that I would beg my parents to buy but they never would. And having my parents work their asses off, come to america, my mother getting two full time jobs and my father getting 2 and a part time at any given time, start their own business and being able to afford to own a home and being able to buy my grandparents a better home down in mexico. And lastly giving me the freedom that they never had, the freedom to be able to do whatever the hell I want to do with my life and my future. So am I gonna let something weak like a supposed limit stop me? LOL.

    Anyways, to address the question, do I think people can have a limit on their abilitys growth? Who knows. But I'll tell you one thing, I won't waste time looking for them. I'll keep drawing and trekking along and if one decides to rear it's head I'll address and surpass it then.

    A great guitarist friend of mine (good guitarist, jake willson, was at berklee school of music then with a half ride, is currently working on a side project with the drummer of dragonforce and teaching at dover UK.) once told me, 'if you shoot for the moon you'll land on a mountain' and even though it was said in passing it still stuck with me.

    Another inspring one for you, said by the late, great, ralph to his wife alice, "One of these days alice, and then Bang, zoom, straight to the moon!"

    And if any of this sounded like an attack on you, or anyone with similar thoughts or intentions of starting like minded threads... then it was. It's an attack, a slant at your character, an insult. It's everything that will hopefully make these words stick with you, that will burn them into your heart, mind or soul and make them boil over till one day you've had enough and you say to yourself, till you say to me 'You know what, fuck you franciscoshreds. Mediocrity? Complacency? I'll show your ass, I'm gonna be better, I'll be right there at every job battling you for the same or a better position!'

    And if that day comes, hopefully some time soon, where you say those words and they're more than just words... Well then, sir, I'll see you on the mountain top.

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    Art is subjective there is no better or worse, it's all in the opinion of the viewer. That doesn't mean you should spend time pouting about useless thoughts like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FranciscoShreds View Post
    Everything

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    I was gonna respond to rice, but you've put it quite nicely.

    Gnarl, don't worry about it. Just draw .

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    Franciscoshreds:
    "Man, I love opening these threads up where effectively every thread starter is so content with pigeonholing themselves into mediocrity and finding complacency in that mediocrity."
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    My previous post clearly states the notion I have does not effect my motivation or attitude towards drawing. And a "personal attack"? Naaahh, I enjoyed your enthusiasm lol. I'll see yah on that moon mountain sir! Except I'll probably be just floating by because I wont be able to stop my momentum. (double meaning? i think so)

    Eugie:
    "That doesn't mean you should spend time pouting about useless thoughts like this."
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    Pouting? Maybe I shouldn't have said the "my worst fear ect.." part. Didn't think others would interpret that as pouting, over the interweb. Like saying, "my worst fear are spiders" isn't really a pouty statement, imo. Maybe it was the "".

    Sidharth Chaturvedi:
    "Gnarl, don't worry about it. Just draw"
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    I'm not worried.

    I just had a curious question, NOT pertaining particularly to me, that I wanted to hear other peoples thoughts on.

    Sometimes people seem very pretentious on these forums, have to watch how yah type I guess. Sorry if my post just seemed like another "I can't do it/Need Motication/Why is it so hard?!" thread. And sorry if this read as deffensive. But I gots a web-ego to protects. lol
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    As a veteran with rounded parts I've been at it for 25 years plus, and it's a rollercoaster ride, but on a slight incline - up, I hope.

    It's like the saying about the boxer - it doesn't matter how many times you get knocked down, it's how many times you get back up that counts. Get up one more time than you're knocked down and you're still in the fight.

    Because it's a constant fight to overcome/go round/work though your own limitations, whatever they may be. Everybody is better at some things than others. Even the Chans and Whits of this world.

    A huge part is about keeping yourself inspired enough to keep battling, by feeding on the glorious imagery that others have put out there. Use it to spur you on. If they can do it (and they are human with their own limitations), you should be able to do it or something similar too - but your route to get will most likely take a different path, because you are a different person. Look for that path. Find the way. It's there somewhere.

    I still find that the journey of discovery about what I can and can't do (at the stage I am in my own journey) throws up little surprises, lessons and rewards all the time. It's a never ending learning process. A journey, not a destination - and we all have a different ticket. And there are dead end diversions from time to time, that you back-track from and set off again at a differnt angle.

    That doesn't mean you should'nt use the jet airline of proven drawing and painting methodolgy available in vast abundance to give you a flying start - and go back to it whenever you need it. Unless you want to reinvent the wheel and impede your progress.

    The only real limitation on how much you can improve (although the timeframe for each will vary also) is your will to keep trying - but it is about finding out who you are as an artist, not about becoming the same as someone else already out there. They are filling that spot for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugie View Post
    Art is subjective there is no better or worse, it's all in the opinion of the viewer. That doesn't mean you should spend time pouting about useless thoughts like this.
    If there is no better or worse, what is the point in improving? How could you even see improvement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugie View Post
    Art is subjective there is no better or worse, it's all in the opinion of the viewer.
    I agree, you are right: the problem, indeed, is there are viewers better or worse than others...

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    Well, what about technical ability? Wouldn't call that subjective.

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