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June 16th, 2009 #40
Those colours are looking good. So many different hues, some quite vibrant, yet the mood of the piece is still very strong and consistent. My only crit is the baby is too small. I can see it but if I didn't know it was there I... well, wouldn't know it was there.
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June 16th, 2009 #43
Thanks Hala. You have more faith in it than I do.
Tweaked the baby a bit, which is now marginally better I think.
And took a break from the intensity of that piece to revisit the other one with the beginnings of a bit of digital watercolour.
I do have another idea, but can't see any way of even starting that. I'm no Simon Dominic Brewer!
June 17th, 2009 #44
Ha, come off it Nick, I can't imagine you have many problems getting your ideas down, given what I've seen of your process! IMO many artists can produce awesome landscapes and monsters but fewer can paint multiple characters that interact realistically and tell a story, something you seem to have no trouble with.
June 18th, 2009 #45
We all want to able to do what we 're not so good at, Si. I'm crap at landscpae and monsters. Figure-work I'm OK at half the time, and it's what I enjoy. Doesn't mean I don't want to be able to do the other stuff. Just have to work at it a lot, lot more.
Was ill yesterday and playing catch-up today, so yet another excuse for minimal progress.
Last edited by Nickillus; June 19th, 2009 at 06:00 AM.
June 18th, 2009 #46
their personalities crack me up xD Hopefully you are feeling better
June 18th, 2009 #47
The second one is off to a good start. And I'd love to see how the first one progresses.
June 18th, 2009 #48
Thanks Hala, thanks Ninjacat.
Can't settle today, so threw down a very quick sketch for another idea - and I do mean it's sketchy.
Last edited by Nickillus; June 18th, 2009 at 08:51 PM.
June 19th, 2009 #49
all looking grand so far...lots of concepts to keep you busy there, Ill be struggling with one submission :-)
Was just wondering what packages you tend to use...your site mentions artrage, which i have only just started experimenting with myself (like 1 hours playing about)...usually Im 80% PS, 20% painter, and Im looking to start spending more time in a painterly app.
Any thoughts on painter versus artrage ?
Possibly one of those discusions that will start a furious debate - but would be keen to hear your thoughts.
"resistance is Futile!!!"
June 19th, 2009 #50
Thanks for the kind words.
Bear in mind that this is only my opinion, and coming from a background of umpteen years spent using real media - watercolour and line in particular. I'm a bit of an old fuddy-duddy.
I used to be a staunch advocate of Painter despite its many foibles (a tendency to crash and/or corrupt your image files !!)- and I do still think it's a fantastic app, but I only really like it for a few of its many tools. The further it goes into trying to make painting a masterpiece from a cloned photo available to the masses, the more it moves away from being the straight replacement for traditional media I originally loved - albeit with the advantages of layers and such that can never be overlooked. I never did get on with the pencil tools in there though and just couldn't seem to get the settings I like.
Stuff I still love in it (apart from its speed and ability to handle large files):-
soft oil pastels
Tinting brushes (I use them as an alternative to the ultra laggy watercolours they go on about)
'Just Add Water'-blender brush
Chalks in combination with the paper palette controls and the ability to make your own paper textures.
'Artists Oils' (not really an oil painter myself, but love their tactile feel).
I've not tried out Painter11 much, but first impressons didn't bowl me over. That's not really a fair assessment though, so have a look yourself.
Tempted to look at Painter SKetchbook which is a pared down version that might suit me better if it has the right tool set and enough of the capabilities I do use.
Enter Sketchbook Pro:- Tried version 1 and liked it a few years ago and then got hold of version 2. It's an idiot-proof sofware compared to Painter, but has the most responsive pencil tool that feels and looks like pencil. The rest of the tool set was a bit limited, although great feel in all of them. No layer blending modes! No textures. That hurts if you're after a watercoloury type look, but I just worked slightly diffrently in it. Workflow is wonderfully intuitive once you get a grip on it and you can really concentrate on your drawing without being distracted by constant trips to tweak and change your tools
Sketchbook Pro2010 - released this year. A whole raft of great improvements - most notable for me being the ability to create an save custom texture brushes. Still not bogged down by a huge tool set and workflow is still great. I turn to it or ArtRage straight away for any sketching.
I love Sketchbook Pro 2010
Around the same time as I found SKB1, a little, free app called ArtRage popped up. Sweet little software with a fairly uncluttered interface. It seemed a bit 'hobbyist' (no disrespect to hobbyists intended - just rather 'user friendly and fun' rather than aimed at pros). Did have a nice sensitivity to the pencil and other tools though. Pretty good with textures and paint blending too. Hmmmmmmm!?
So when it popped up with a new version2 a few years later I took another look and actually forked out the immense fee of about $25. It was just fun to sketch in and you could get some nice results. It had layers and some useful tools. Then they carried out a series of free upgrades through to version 2.5 and it was transformed for me.
The first thing that got my full attention was adding a 'precise pencil' variant. That was just like the fine lead pencils I used to use all the time in the real media world. Great feel to it - oh yes.
Then they added full layer blending modes, with solid psd compatibility. These are pro level tweaks.
No support for masks as such but instead - 'STENCILS'. You can make a stencil out of any image imported or painted - which adds a whole new dimension to what you can do. And they are fully transformable and invertable. For me it feels more like what you'd have to do in the real world, so I relate to it. (This is all just my take on it remember)
It's not as slick and fast as Painter or even Sketchbook Pro, but perversely that's a big part of the appeal for me. The team at Ambient are really approachable and respond to suggestions if they can and enough people support it. Their drive is to provide a 'pleasurable painting experience'. And they are working like crazy on version 3 which has all sorts of enhancements in the pipeline to add more functionality and tools without detracting from that 'fun to use' aspect. I'm on the beta testing team, so can vouch for that, but can't spill any actual beans - sorry. It should escape within the next few months, if not sooner (?).
I love ArtRage too
Hope that helps a bit and isn't just a self indulgent wallow in software love. My advice. Just try the things and use what suits your way of thinking and working. We all like different things.
Last edited by Nickillus; June 19th, 2009 at 09:01 AM.
June 19th, 2009 #51
ahhh sweet....thanks for all your thoughts on it.
its been something thats been bugging me for a while, i love painter, but a few little things still get me down with it.
I hadnt heard of, or seen Sketchbook Pro 2010 before - looks pretty nice, Ill probably play around with artrage and might look into Sketchbook Pro 2010, see if theres a trial available.
at the end of that day, its pretty handy to be familiar with a variety of apps i think - just would be nice to find one tool that did it all - but i guess its a pain everyone goes through.
Cheers for the ideas
"resistance is Futile!!!"
June 19th, 2009 #52
The ArtRage discussion has migrated here now. I wonder if we should ask for referral commissions from Andy & Matt et al?
That caveman is cool, his expression is perfect. I'm somewhat envious of your ability to use no reference. I mean, for my pic I dressed up in a suit and a leather coat and posed for 20 minutes on my own couch like some kind of gay pimp just to get a reference I could use. Luckily my referencing skills are degenerate so it looks nothing like me, although that's what it takes for me to get something believable down.