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    yeah, silly article,

    the author doesn't support his conclusions.
    his speculations on the details of how chinese economic dominance would effect wold culture are childishly simple and defy common sense.

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    I spent a good while thinking about it, I love how he made a reposte in advance of the reaction he'd get, by saying that "The West" would naturally believe it's implausible as it seems so far-fetched. Very inconsistent article, if he'd been abit more specific he might actually come across abit more credible. Though after tip-toeing around the fact this is all speculation about Chinese dominance in every sector of life, he shows no qualms in saying that America is finished and "The West" as a whole will be pushed under the carpet. (Basing all these assumptions on the current Recession) Then without providing sufficent evidence just carries on ranting about how China will command authority over the rest of world, without taking into account possible developments within this 40 year period he's setting. Like say a change in energy source, technological advance, economic change, India's fortunes, it all just gets pushed under the carpet just like European values. (Or at least how he avidly prophesizes it's demise)

    (The comments by readers do a better job at analysing some of the shit he says than me. Especially that bit about Traditional Chinese medicine.)

    Though after looking at the comments and researching the guy, I realised he's a marxist. I didn't realise his argument was that simple, essentially he's got his fingers crossed that China will bring Capitalist Communism to the world. (Whatever the fuck that is.) Even if the other contexts which I'd interpreted the article for, like freedom of speech, acceptance of unconformity, and democracy as a whole being put to rest, after centuries of fighting for the right to have these liberties were what first came to mind after reading that article. Though even if he isn't saying that it's still a wild leap he's making. (Possibly for publicity.)

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    What do people think of this current development?

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    what people outside china and the average chinese people think will be greatly different.

    When I first arrived in China, I was surprised to see uighurs in person and hear them speak in fluent putonghua(mandarin).. they look sooo different from chinese, culture is greatly different as well...
    and I did observe that they were treated a bit differently (from what I saw)...relegated to selling lamb kebabs, pita bread etc.....like they were second class citizens or something...
    what people outside of china don't know is that a vast majority ( not all, i've met some cool ones) of Han Chinese are very racist ( well, white people can get away with a lot of stuff in china($$$), but other races are treated differently, just ask any Indian, Mexican or Pakistani guys you know who have been to china and stayed there for a length of time)
    I feel sad for the deaths that occurred, and I feel even more sad that this situation will not improve because China's growing economic and military clout will allow it to get away with a lot of things and drown out voices that need to be heard.

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    hmmm... seems the Uighurs have a tough time ahead of them as well...
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090708/...china_xinjiang

    EDIT: interestingly enough, that area was called East Turkistan before the chinese renamed it Xinjiang ( new land? not sure if land is the proper translation)).

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    The Han Chinese are coming across like the bullies of the playground, in these reports. (Especially that quote from one Han mob member saying to a police officer that they shouldn't be arresting Han) And I'm guessing if I go by your statement AngryFillipino that most Han treat other races as if they're inferior, that the authorities will be slanted in favour of the Han protesters rather than the Uighurs?

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    This is an interesting bit archive footage, from the BBC's reports of the massacre;



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    Found an article in The Times from a week ago that refers back to the discussion we were having earlier about the internet in China.

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    Some articles that caught my interest whilst surfing the net;

    Further reports into the Uighurs incident, with one of the protest leaders claiming 10 thousand Uighurs disappeared in one night.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/world...56S1O020090729
    (Though I'm not so sure about this, such a large number of people in one night along with China's swift denial of these claims. I really can't decide.)

    A Wikipedia article referring to China's organ harvesting from Falun Gong prisoners. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_h...ublic_of_China

    A journalist recounts her experience of the Tiananmen Square protests. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...d-1693747.html

    Uighur protest leader's film causes controversey, when it's scheduled to be played at the Melbourne Film festival. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090727/film_nm/us_uighurs

    A Chinese pro-democracy and freedom activist (along with survivor of the Tiananmen protests), claims to have been attacked by Chinese Communist members whilst in New York. http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/20422/

    Obama makes it clear to the Chinese government that he disapproves of their policies regarding human rights. http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009...man_rights.php

    And last of all two more articles by Martin Jacques, who's so desperate to see the end of America and the West (generally) that he'll dump common sense by the way-side to make his point heard. http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...s-1765901.html

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...er-shift-china
    (The most interesting thing about his articles are that the comments from his readers seem more informed than he does, and put up better arguments for either side.)

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