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    Alien prequel to come out

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    Dear god, I hope this is good. Alien is one of my favorite films of all time.


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    It better not be something in the vein of the Alien vs. Predator films.

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    Hey, it was going to happen sooner or later; and I don't want to hear Anybody complain about that "its not as good as the old one."
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    Would be pretty cool if it's about how the alien ship from the first movie gets infested....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FightingSeraph View Post
    Hey, it was going to happen sooner or later; and I don't want to hear Anybody complain about that "its not as good as the old one."
    How 'bout we complain if it's another loud, slimy, mindless crapfest that about as cerebral as professional wrestling? As much as I love the original Alien movies, AVP completely ruined it for me.

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    Yay! I can't wait, as long as it isn't as bad as the fourth alien film or the first avp ( I liked the second one, maybe because I was so happy it wasn't as terrible as the first). I've just recently watched all the films so I'm even more excited than I would normally be for a new film.

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    At the risk of being tarred and feathered, I have to say that the Alien itself, given that it hasn't really learned any new tricks over the past few movies, has become a little boring and predictable. Step one: pop out of something. Step two: sneak around and jump out scare people. The first few films were amazing because there was mystery to them. We didn't even really know what the thing looked like until the end of the movie and you never really knew what it was capable of.

    Now everything caters to impatient audiences who get to see the monster right away and when they do they see a dumbed down creature design. Some how it has regressed to a floppy, snarling snot fountain. Kind of a cartoon of itself. The latest incarnations of the alien retain little to none of the "biomechanical" qualities very little of the twisted sexual symbolism. They just seem to have made it snarlier and slimier.

    As much as I want a good sequel that expands on the alien and what it is, etc. I think the first movie was so great because that mystery made the monster even scarier.
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    I kinda agree with N D Hill on this one, we know all the aliens tricks. And the AVP movies only served to kinda mess up the plot of the other Aliens movies (since they took place in modern times and the Aliens movies take place some 1-200 years in the future).

    The first one was a horror film, it had a lot of the familiar equations of a good horror film. One single mysterious creature in a large, dark, space ship with a lot of confusing corridors, slowly picking off members of the crews who weren't very well armed in the first place and while it may not be horrible frightening by modern standards it still left a lot of people shitless in the 70s. The second was more of a sci-fi/action/horror film, they were still unfamiliar, we were still curious to learn more about them, where they came from, if there were more, we wanted to get a better look at them and see how they'd react when they weren't just fighting unarmed scientists. The third was a return to a more horror feel, not quite as memorable as the first or second but still decent as far as third installments of movies go. The fourth..."meh" is all I'm gonna say. Still I'm not opposed to the idea of this being a good movie, the whole deal with the space jockeys found in the first film has never been clearly explained and it could deliver some of that mystery that made its predecessors so great
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    I will happily ignore this and consider it non-canon, as I've ignored every entry in the franchise since #3.

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    From what I've heard, Ridley Scott gave it the OK, so it should at least be better than the AVP movies.

    N.D does make very good points about the Alien movies. I'm thinking the new director should have something interesting up his sleeve.

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    There was a large stone slab in a forest close to where I grew up. We called it "Dracula's Grave", and it really was for quite some time. Walking close to it at night was dangerous. Later I learned that it was just a concrete foundation for a kiosk and the magic was gone.

    What I like about the alien is that it is mysterious and ancient. I love that fossilized derelict ship in the first movie just because it's not explained. It teases the imagination just like Dracula's Grave did. From what I hear (perhaps Ridley said it himself) the ship is just some transport for bio weapons (i.e. the aliens, perhaps engineered by the jockeys?). Meh.
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    When I hear the word prequel, Star Wars pop into my head. So.... my first though was - omg ... Alien from Nostromo is going to be an egg the whole time, Jones the cat is going to be a kitty, Ash a young science officer will go to Mustafar and become a mechanical man, and Ripley a 17 year old will be chasing after boys the whole time, making the movie a teen comedy
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    awesome! I think, done well and with great art direction this film could be amazing!!


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    I'll forgive everything if the female protagonist runs around in low white cotton panties most of the movie. And the alien sets off the sprinkler system, which in the future works by just spraying baby oil everywhere.
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    well,it should go right along with the new predator film by robert rodriguez.
    i could care less about a prequel,i don't need shit explained,thank you. and don't you dare come with "alien homeworld". urgh.
    i'm honestly more exited about the new avp game...now that looks awesome.
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    I think they're going to have to squeeze really hard to try and get an interesting screenplay out of this material. It's been done to death. Creating something new and exciting was my one hope for AVP, which just didn't work. Although I have to admit that I've watched the first AVP a couple times now and it's not really a bad movie. It just didn't live up to the full potential of the idea. I still haven't seen Requiem yet and probably never will. But ultimately, I think the Alien mythology is fully exhausted as far as a workable (re: good) screenplay goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carnifex View Post
    well,it should go right along with the new predator film by robert rodriguez.
    i could care less about a prequel,i don't need shit explained,thank you. and don't you dare come with "alien homeworld". urgh.
    i'm honestly more exited about the new avp game...now that looks awesome.
    I know! that AVP game looks badass! i hope it doesnt get banned in Australia due to the major awesome gorefest it natuarally should be. That and the Aliens:colonial marines game that comes out too in 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prometheus|ANJ View Post
    There was a large stone slab in a forest close to where I grew up. We called it "Dracula's Grave", and it really was for quite some time. Walking close to it at night was dangerous. Later I learned that it was just a concrete foundation for a kiosk and the magic was gone.

    What I like about the alien is that it is mysterious and ancient. I love that fossilized derelict ship in the first movie just because it's not explained. It teases the imagination just like Dracula's Grave did. From what I hear (perhaps Ridley said it himself) the ship is just some transport for bio weapons (i.e. the aliens, perhaps engineered by the jockeys?). Meh.
    Exactly. Letting the imagination run wild trying to conceive of what the bone-ship and the pilot were exactly almost instilled Lovecraftian undertones. It's particularly the idea of malevolent sleeping demi-gods that the first film pretty plainly suggested.

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    There was supposed to be descent into a temple where they find nasty reliefs on the wall depicting the alien's life cycles, but that never made it into the movie. Personally I'm satisfied with the ship as it is, although it's hard to tell how the temple plot could have turned out.

    Yeah, I think the core of the Alien (der Kern des Alien?) should remain mysterious in order to give off that "Lovecraftian" vibe. To explain it as "Timmy's failed science experiment" would be atrocious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwell View Post
    I will happily ignore this and consider it non-canon, as I've ignored every entry in the franchise since #3.
    Some do so at #2.

    Still that interview is funny, anyone else notice how Tony doesn't directly answer the questions?
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    I will happily ignore this and consider it non-canon, as I've ignored every entry in the franchise since #3
    Yeah, I've even been ignoring part 3. A prequel does have potential to do something really interesting. I've always wondered how the company already knows as much as they do about the alien in the first movie (to replace a crew member with an android that has orders to protect the alien at all costs indicates they at least know something about it).

    Though I really don't expect much. I feel like the way they've been going, it's got maybe a 2% chance of even being respectable
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    From what I hear (perhaps Ridley said it himself) the ship is just some transport for bio weapons (i.e. the aliens, perhaps engineered by the jockeys?)
    they kind of scatter the clues if you watch and listen closely. Combining the fact that the ship is crash landed and giving off a warning beacon (not distress call) with them telling us in part two that the alien is not indigenous to the planet confirms it as far as I'm concerned. Plus the massive cavern of eggs comes off to me as a giant cargo area

    I guess there's enough reasonable doubt to the first film if you don't count part two as valid, but I still felt in part one that they were implying that the alien was not from that planet
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    I had a great honor to meet to H. R. Giger and, as far as the original idea behind the ship goes, he said it was made to apply a bigger picture of the universe which should never be revealed.
    Never be revealed; how cool is that? I also don't want to destroy the mystery, it's perfect as it is.

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    I always thought that long ago the 'Jockey' (explorers) landed or crashed on the planet, and became infected, or already was. They realized they were done for and didn't want someone else to suffer the same fate. The last actions of the Jockey was to get into the seat and set up the warning signal. After the chestburster had popped out (a queen?) it realized that the planet was dead, so it produced the eggs in the 'cargo bay' and perished. I'm guessing that the aliens are biologically adapted to being dormant long periods of time, so the mist layer is produced by the eggs and breaking its surface wakes up the eggs. Meaning: the mist is not made by the derelict ship, and it's not a transport. The poor Jockey just ran into the alien by accident when it was exploring the galaxy.

    As I understood it Ash didn't know a thing about the aliens. He probably had a whole collection of 'what-if' scenarios in his head, and one of them happened to be triggered.

    I prefer the first two movies. 3 half-happened. I like the idea of the alien changing depending on its host.
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    I don't know. I never really liked the idea of the alien as a bio-weapon. In the first movie, it was never really clear how smart it was. I always thought it be interesting if it was somewhat sentient and was capable of evolving to adapt to it's host planet and then spreading somewhere else after a few generations of assimilating the traits of native fauna that are beneficial to its survival.

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    i keep picturing that it actually evolved from some city animal. would explain the biotech look to me but that's the fun of having it a mystery.
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    I always thought that long ago the 'Jockey' (explorers) landed or crashed on the planet, and became infected, or already was
    They say clearly in Ripley's deposition that the planet has "no indigenous life", and Ripley replies "it was a derelict spacecraft", which I take to mean that the jockey brought the alien and eggs with it to the planet. If it got infected in space and crashed, it makes more sense to me it was transporting the eggs, probably as a weapon, and one got loose. Either that or it was an explorer that found an egg on some other planet which hatched while it was in transit and then built an entire colony in the ship after the crash. I suppose that's possible, but I think the first is a more simple and likely explanation.

    As I understood it Ash didn't know a thing about the aliens. He probably had a whole collection of 'what-if' scenarios in his head, and one of them happened to be triggered.
    He doesn't know anything about the alien, but the company does know that the alien exists, which is why Ash is there in the first place. Ripley asks Dallas is he's ever shipped with Ash before and Dallas tells her that Ash was added to their crew at the last minute before that trip. It's possible that the computer is always programmed to tell the science officer to protect foreign life forms as a priority higher than the crew's life, but I felt that the tone of Mother's instructions were very specific to that mission and Ash seemed to be aware of those instructions from the very beginning. Just that the company assigned him to the crew for that particular trip says to me that they planned for the Nostromo to bring back an alien, and they couldn't trust a human to sacrifice the ship for it so they sent a robot.

    However the alien ended up on that planet, I don't think there's any doubt that the company has had some kind of contact with it before and this is their second attempt to bring it in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prometheus|ANJ View Post
    I prefer the first two movies. 3 half-happened. I like the idea of the alien changing depending on its host.
    I feel pretty much the same way. I enjoyed 3 a lot more than many people, but it's certainly not of-a-piece like the first two.

    (On a side note, I started at the School of Visual Arts the fall Aliens came out, and, because SVA doesn't have an auditorium, our freshman orientation was held at a movie theater down the street. So, when we arrived, we were greeted with a marquee saying ALIENS WELCOME SVA STUDENTS. Which pretty much summed things up.)

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    I wonder what would happen if an Alien incubated inside of a whale? Or an elephant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavePalumbo View Post
    They say clearly in Ripley's deposition that the planet has "no indigenous life", and Ripley replies "it was a derelict spacecraft",

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    they planned for the Nostromo to bring back an alien, and they couldn't trust a human to sacrifice the ship for it so they sent a robot.
    Well, 'no indigenous life' doesn't mean no life, clearly. The alien could have been stranded on the planet too, or they were put there well hidden until explorers found them. I'm leaning towards the scenario that the Jockey got face hugged somewhere else and didn't know about the chestburster (just like the humans did not). Although, there is the part about the temple in the old script. I think those aliens would've been indigenous.

    I'm not sure how the transport explanation is simpler. An alien which got stranded would probably eventually turn into a queen and lay eggs (after Giger sliming the place (home decoration)), like the one in the second movie did.

    With the transport scenario the Jockey have a load of eggs, are going somewhere, get infected by accident, land on the planet for some reason, rig a general warning signal rather than discretely calling their client (maybe they didn't know what they were carrying until it was too late?). Then the loose alien puts Giger slime all over the ship, and dies without any offspring, leaving the rest of the eggs in stasis. The Jockey also fails to destroy the eggs, instead leaves a protective mist in place, but also decides to use a warning signal.


    I think the company would rather send a special trained team to pick up the alien, than using a slow mining vessel which is on its way back to earth, so it's not a direct route. Why not send a fast ship with trained specialists direct to the planet instead of relying on a bunch of humans doing things by accident?
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