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    Hey Raileyh,

    Just rediscovered your thread in Fine Arts.

    Haven't asked anyone this in awhile.

    How fast can you draw a decent solidly rendered head with your method?

    And, just for continuity, do you have any idea how that 4 line Bridgman head drawing thing is supposed to work?

    [I'm beginning to think it doesn't work! Why? It appears to be based on an isometric cube like draftsmen would use to draw machine parts. It's not demonstrated by Bridgman with a cube that is in proper perspective!]


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    The four line thing has always seemed loony to me. I find most of bridgeman's writing completely incomprehensible. I just look at the pictures.

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    papervampire:

    Here's a scan of the 4 line method from the Bridgman "Complete Guide."

    1. The block he predicates this head upon does not have lines that converge into the distance. Rather, they splay outward when extended. For the way things appear in nature this is wrong.

    2. Looking at the next head based on this block, we see that the far side of the figure's forehead is too tall. Being that it is farther away from the "picture plane," it should appear shorter/smaller than the closer side of the forehead. This carries through the perspective error from the block.

    Further, if a head proportion block is drawn in correct perspective, and the standard 3.5 units is used to measure the heads height, it is a simple matter to construct a line that passes under the figure's nose level without the need to draw several other construction lines.

    There're a lot of great things in Bridgman's various works. And, using the simple Asaro-type planes to block in a head is a valuable tool.

    But, this diagram is seriously in error!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamber Parrk View Post
    Hey Raileyh,

    Just rediscovered your thread in Fine Arts.

    Haven't asked anyone this in awhile.

    How fast can you draw a decent solidly rendered head with your method?

    And, just for continuity, do you have any idea how that 4 line Bridgman head drawing thing is supposed to work?]
    Hi Kamber Parrk,

    To answer your question, I can tackle a head in 20 minutes or so. I've seen 5 minute drawings by Fred Fixler that are insane, the amount of information he was able to fit into 5 minutes is remarkable. I keep at the 5-10 minute poses, but they are crazy hard.

    I think I'm still trying to figure out the 4 line thing. It doesn't seem to make much sense in it's limited amount of information.

    -h

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    Kamber Parrk: Thanks for posting a picture of the 4 lines. It was a curious choice for Bridgman to build from an Isometric cube. Oh well, I've vented.

    I appreciate your mention of the Asaro planes of the head, too -- I hadn't seen that before.
    Last edited by johnb; September 16th, 2010 at 02:56 PM.

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    I believe the cube thing is just for simply understanding perspective's effect on the head.
    My sketchbook:

    http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=191977

    My page on Facebook, which I update much more often.

    https://www.facebook.com/MarkGrimArt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamber Parrk View Post
    As far as drawing line 2 at a right angle: does this mean always at an actual right angle? Or, does it mean the way that a right angle would appear in perspective?
    That is an actual right angle. Otherwise, the two lines will not necessarily intersect...

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    a quick note from my experience: the third line in the Bridgeman method is the most important line when drawing different types of characters. By placing that line, you'll see how easy it is to define a certain type of face. Imagine an ant moving between from the cheekbone to the chin, following the relief of the face and lay down that line.

    i never draw the 4th line, i just go free-flow from the third. As far as i understood Bridgeman, first line is line the symmetry axis of the face, second is a right-angle line to the first connecting it to the lobe of the ear, the third is seemingly unconnected to the others, i think it's supposed to be placed instinctually. As for the 4th, i didn't get it.

    what's important is that you can define character very well by drawing the third line (highlighted in blue), even if you don't follow Bridgeman's method fully.

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