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May 24th, 2009 #1
Convince me not to buy a cintiq 12wx
(tl;dr is at the bottom)
I have a tiny, tiny tablet (it's a graphire 3 5x3) and lately it's been freaking out on me (sometimes it has random spasms, but most of the time it's the pressure sensitivity crapping out and going full force, creating something similar to ink blot spills).
So I'm in the market for a new tablet. Right now I'm looking at an intuos 4 medium tablet or a cintiq 12wx.
Obviously the cintiq is much more expensive so I was thinking about getting a used one on ebay.
Money aside, is there ANY REASON AT ALL I should avoid the cintiq? Any at all?
As far as what sort of work I do, I do animation in flash and I paint in photoshop. I have my BFA thesis coming up soon too (I will hopefully make a 5 minute hand drawn cartoon). I also animate in maya, but I feel like I wouldn't use the cintiq (or a tablet) for that anyways.
The main reason why the cintiq looks so tempting right now is because I'm used to looking where I draw. When I use my animation disk, I rotate it at every angle imaginable (same with my sketchbook) and I simply can't do that with the tablets that lack the LCD screen.
I've also considered a tablet PC but- I've already invested a lot in my desktop AND they're all out of my price range. I know the cheaper ones can't play back 24fps at real time, at least with Flash, so I don't think those ones are worth it.
Anyways, if I can get a discounted (slightly used) cintiq 12wx, should I go for it? What are the reasons to avoid cintiqs? How's the LCD screen on it? Does the unit get hot at all? Do images burn into the screen? etc etc.
Last edited by jgchan; May 24th, 2009 at 06:48 PM.
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i heard cintiq gets hot after awhile. and the screen space is limited on the 12wx. with a tablet, you can work on a larger monitor
May 25th, 2009 #3
I bought a 12wx a few months back and thought (and continue to think) it was an extremely wise investment. If you're looking for a need to be able to carry this thing around and use it anywhere other than a home...no. It has a pretty good amount of chords to it (1 going from the cintiq to the converter box, 2 from the converter box to your computer, and the other 2 are a combination of 1 that goes from the converter box and has a power converter on the end of it and 1 that's just a normal power chord that plugs into the power converter to goes into the wall.) Suprisingly enough though, the 12wx doesn't actually get hot. It does get a LITTLE warm, but just enough to keep your hand toasty! It does have a little "edge sensitivity", as in when you get around an inch away from the edge from the screen, the cursor does get a little wobbly. But I thought it was worth it to be able to twist and turn like a scketchbook and be able to see where Im drawing...and the amount of space on the screen isn't bad at all!! I find it to be plenty. Im preparing to get an intuos 4 hopefully that's worth it too! Ha!
May 25th, 2009 #4
yeah, from what I understand it's not portable at all really, unless you've got somewhere to plug into and setup for awhile.
I've got a cintiq 21 and I'm hoping to pick up a 12 also. I've heard of people using them as pallettes for regular cintiqs which I think is brilliant, but I also want the option to be able to sit on the couch with a laptop and work while the wife watches tv.
I have heard of it having weird reactions around the edges which sucks and it does seem kind of expensive.
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Maybe what im working on isnt serious enough or I havent had it long enough but I dont experience this "wobblyness" near the edges on the 12 inch cintiq.
I dont regret buying the cintiq at all. I hook it up to a laptop (wich has a setting to run with the lid closed) so I can just tuck everything under the bed and lay there with just the cintiq on my lap and draw.
I suppose I could do that with the larger cintiq as well but the 12 is so thin and light its easy to man handle it if you know what I mean.
May 25th, 2009 #6
Pen sensitivity isnt up to date with the intuos 4
1024 (or something ) = Cintiq
2048 or something = Intuos 4
also color collaboration is a bitch, you'll spend hours trying to adjust the right colors that match your monitor, in the end you think you've got it, then when you paint on your cintiq then drag it to your monitor, you'll be crying loads because the colors didn't come out right,
well that's my experience
I only use the monitor feature on my cintiq for sketching and grayscaling, then i drag it to my monitor for coloring, ( great use of a cintiq eh? ) actually, i also use it for perspective, straight lines, and such, its more control, But if i were you, i would wait for the "hopefully" new cintiq with Intuos 4 features and "hopefully" Better color collab, <-- ( that would be a good cintiq )
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I'm in my third week of owning one. I really love it! I've been using a standard tablet for about 10 years and I finally decided to bite the bullet and get one. It does get warm after some time but I use that as an excuse to turn it off and take a break.
I thought the screen size would bother me but it doesn't. There's just something different about working directly on the screen makes me not realize the size. Because of the cost, I would definitely look at purchasing it new. I would stay away from eBay. The unit costs a lot and if something goes wrong you will appreciate the warranty from Wacom.
May 26th, 2009 #8
Portability isn't an issue. The only times I plan on moving this thing in the foreseeable future is when I move from my house to a dorm.
The color calibration issue seems like it might be a serious problem, but does the cintiq only act as a 2nd monitor? Can you set it to see exactly what's on the first monitor? (or is that more of a video card sort of thing?)
Pen sensitivity, right now, isn't that much of an issue for me. Anything is going to be an improvement over the current 512 (I think) I get from the graphire 3.
Anyways, I can tell you right now I'm leaning much more towards the intuos 4 medium.
I can get a medium intuos 4 AND a student copy of Photoshop cs4 (with the nifty canvas rotation feature) and still have $400 left to kick around (which is a month's tuition for me).
From other people I've talked to about this, it seems like, given the choice between the small and big cintiq, I'd be better off just saving up for the big cintiq instead of splurdging now and getting the small one.
So, small cintiq now or big cintiq later and "survive" off of the intuos 4 for the next few years?
May 26th, 2009 #9
if you're animating in flash it means you're not going for hd720 + resolution, so the relatively small cintiq's size is not an issue.
if you're not going to make epic paintings for print, you'll probably won't even need a large work area and ability to paint with free broad strokes, that's what a larger intuos gives you; and I'm not sure that 2048 levels of pressure will make difference with flash (they will with photoshop or painter)
May 28th, 2009 #10
personally I was rather annoyed by the edge inaccuracy, jitter.
And another thing that gets mentioned (or even noticed) very rarely:
If you use the Cintiq as a normal tablet while keeping the screen switched on(!), it's very inaccurate! But if you turn of the screen and use it as a tablet then, it's noticeable smoother and more accurate! And the jitter at the edges is completely gone.
For animation, this is really a good investment I must admit. It's much easier to animate working directly on the screen. Since I like to do hand-drawn animation myself, I bought the 12WX for that reason as well.
What I think shouldn't be underestimated is the fact that it gets warm after a while and your hand might start sweating. It's more bothersome than some may think. Or it could just be me...
Also, I find it a tad too small. With all the menues it gets pretty cramped. The 21 would definitely pay out in the the long run.
As another issue I'd mention that I like to see what I am painting without my hand blocking the image. I feel, the endresult is always better when you have a look at your entire work at all times. But since you can use it as a standalone tablet AND an onscreen painting device as well, it's all cool I guess. Just remember that if you're using a 4:3 main screen, you need to change the mapping settings and thus there will be some space cut off on the Cintiq (which makes it a smaller tablet in the end --> not as accurate). This is another thing that posed a problem for me. I should probably think about getting a widescreen giving my Cintiq a 2nd chance since it's catching dust on my desk and I am thinking about selling it...
May 29th, 2009 #11
i got an intuos 3 and a cintiq 21ux, got to said that was hard to get used to the cintiq beczuse of the surface, its cool to sue, but not a magical machine that wil raise your level 100%, cried some months saying why i spend so much money on this one, but afer a time i got used to and draw faster, if you want portability, sorry but the 12 has tomany cables ral big, same as the cintiq 21 or even 20, so i wont recomend it to you if you want to tavel or move around, i work the same with my intuos 3 when im out and want to do sketches, but using painter on my laptop of 15 inches space isnt just enough.
I highly recomend you to get an intuos wide screen, those are cheaper, and you will feel like heaven after using the new leveles of preasure, i used a graphire and believe me you wont believe how much a line can change, besides i think a new type of cintiq will come out soon, and the ones we have will drop prices fast.
But ive heard people that are ahving fun with the 12w, so dont worry with what you will buy, cause you will be 100 times better than the one you have already.
There are no such things as bad art, just tight deadlines.
May 29th, 2009 #12
Well I know that there was a lot of fighting over the warranty of your tablet because they now use acrylic instead of glass and will cause easier scratches on the surface.
Personally, because monitor technology is a lot better now I'm waiting to see what the next generation of cintiqs will offer.
May 29th, 2009 #13
If you need to post a thread asking people to convince you not to buy a product, well I think you've already convinced yourself in that aspect and in that case I find this thread superfluous. Still you probably would learn a thing or two from people's experiences with the product and might consider otherwise