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    I agree that it should remain fun and spontaneous. But I also think there should be a minimum of organization. For instance, I'm sure if people start to randomly PM their adresses to people, some will get way more demand than others (and it might put a lot of pressure on them while leaving out less vocal members).

    Maybe we could have a private thread where anyone interested in participating just post their adresses. Whenever someone feels like randomly sending out sketches, they can do so at their convenience (whether it is one sketch or 12). In return, the recipients post the sketches as a courtesy, like a thank-you note. That way, there is no direct pressure but there is also an incentive to participate (public feedback).

    I feel that if we just send things to friends, then there is no point doing it as a community activity. I already have people I send drawings to, they're just not artists or CA members But I do like the communial aspect of Grief's idea, mainly because working as a freelance artist (or just being an amateur artist) can get rather lonely and insular.


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    The more this veered away from limited edition works the more I lost interest, but then I'm into woodcuts, so I guess if grief got a stick figure in the mail from me it would be missing the boner anyway.

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    I want to get in on the fun and make friends. I love getting snail mail, but the people I send letters to are usually too busy to reply. I guess that's one bad things about the internet.
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    RE: Posting addresses online.

    Post an official thread in the CA exclusive forum could provide some security.

    I'm interested for sure. Got a stack of stamps sitting here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petitemistress View Post
    and wts the worst that could happen? they send me poop?
    ... maybe, if you end up trading art with Cy Twombly.

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    I would send you art all day, Grief!

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    Okay, let's address a few concerns here, for those of you who seem to be either somewhat naive, too trusting, or simply clueless...

    First, a theme is NOT meant to stifle you. As the Artist, HOW you interpret ANY theme is STILL an individual choice. The ability to "think outside the box" is truly a skill you should be attempting to acquire.

    How on earth some of you can whine about this is beyond belief...
    Just for example, let's say the theme is "babies." Now, while I personally have absolutely little to no interest in Human babies, this type of theme would still leave any semi-intelligent artist with a plethora of directions to explore. Robot babies, Plant babies. Monsters with Plant characteristics, sprouting "babies" off its body...Baby planets. Baby monsters dressed really cute...For goodness sakes, don't shoot down something just because it doesn't talk to YOU, personally. Think a bit more outside your personal box, and think about the community, which has some members who want to play, but then end up staring at an empty postcard, discouraged from the get go...
    WHY this would somehow "ruin" the "surprise" aspect of the idea is also confusing. What, because you know there is a "theme," you know what the art you get will be? Pfah!

    A Theme was JUST a suggestion to help EVERYONE play, not to impede any of you...Draw an anti-theme, or don't follow the theme at all. THAT's not the point here...


    Now, regarding addys online.
    Quote Originally Posted by petitemistress View Post
    I mean, personally, I trust most of those i deem "regulars" on this site, and I consider them friends, and wts the worst that could happen? they send me poop? oh noes I wdnt mind pming say, Grief, Kellyx, Clo, Davi, Alesoun, Aphotic_Phoenix etc with my address, and Chaos has been waiting for art trade cards from me in forever (sorry! havent forgotten I swear!!), so I mean, why the hell not? but im just gullible like that ._.
    Yup, you ARE gullible like that, and so are most of us. I am no longer that trusting, after a fellow artist had a knock on her front door (in a VERY remote, and not heavily populated part of Wisconsin), only to find her very own internet stalker, who decided that her art touched him in a special way, and he felt a "bond" to her, compelling him to go to her...NOT the kind of exchange most of us want...

    Nothing wrong with being "gullible," but there is NOTHING wrong with being informed, so that your gullibility is by choice, and not ignorance. While there are people on these boards whom I would trust implicity without having ever met in person, the vast majority of members are, and remain, strangers. People with no external signs or history suddenly lose it and do bad things (the Craigslist guy, the kid who tried to shoot kids in a Jr. high for absolutely no reason, the weird woman who allegedly killed her 8-year old daughter's best friend, etc.). PMing people is fine, because again, YOU make the choice. But to publicly post your addy where anyone, member or not, can read it, is simply taking unnecessary risks with your personal information.
    There is NO Internet page that is secure with your address on it, if it is viewable by the Public, even "exclusive" forums, unless everyone registered is somehow "verifiable..." As the old saying goes, "On the Internet, no one really knows if you are a God, or just a dyslexic dog..."
    Forewarned is forearmed.


    Arttorney, you are TOO funny. You lost interest "The more this veered away from limited edition works the more I lost interest, but then I'm into woodcuts..."
    If I'm not mistaken here,
    1. Woodcuts, by their very nature, are neither intended, nor designed, for "limited edition works," and
    2. Short of every single member of CA signing on for this, just HOW freaking "limited edition" are you wanting? What? Less that 100 copies? 25? One-on-one? You need to expand your awareness of art exchanges. I would MUCH rather have a well-created print that is one of 5,000, and shows true effort, than a one-on-one "quickie" speedpaint stickfigure that looks like the concept took no longer than the speedpaint itself...


    Those of you throwing down "roadblocks" here, with your "concerns and personal dislikes" are missing the point, which it merely to make art and send it to someone else.
    From "Gee, I like ANYTHING I get in the mail," now we have "Gee, I only like getting THIS type of art in the mail, and I won't play if there are any suggestions that I disagree with..." SHEESH!
    Just make something and send it. There are NO grades or points awarded here, and I seriously doubt that anyone (except the most picky and elitist of the participants) will refuse or look down on anything you make. Again, don't let the suggestions stifle YOU, it's for those who may not be familiar with certain Internet protocols that can help protect them, or help them overcome hesitations to even trying.

    Swap addys by PM, swap addys by group. Post 'em here, post 'em on DA or Craigslist. Participate on your own standards, or join up with a common theme. No one is trying to stop you. The suggestions are for those new to the idea, that's all, and I posted them for THOSE people, not the rest of you who do or don't want to take part...

    Just send Grief something, k?thx.
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    I'm very interested. I just want a little organization, so I look forward to what Grief has come up with that may resolve this.
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    The woodcut thing is just a boner joke. Sorry if I bothered you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madster View Post
    Yup, you ARE gullible like that, and so are most of us. I am no longer that trusting, after a fellow artist had a knock on her front door (in a VERY remote, and not heavily populated part of Wisconsin), only to find her very own internet stalker, who decided that her art touched him in a special way, and he felt a "bond" to her, compelling him to go to her...NOT the kind of exchange most of us want...

    Nothing wrong with being "gullible," but there is NOTHING wrong with being informed, so that your gullibility is by choice, and not ignorance. While there are people on these boards whom I would trust implicity without having ever met in person, the vast majority of members are, and remain, strangers. People with no external signs or history suddenly lose it and do bad things (the Craigslist guy, the kid who tried to shoot kids in a Jr. high for absolutely no reason, the weird woman who allegedly killed her 8-year old daughter's best friend, etc.). PMing people is fine, because again, YOU make the choice. But to publicly post your addy where anyone, member or not, can read it, is simply taking unnecessary risks with your personal information.
    thanks for reality check Madster but I highly doubt any americans would bother coming here to stalk me quite honestly ;p .

    I do agree posting it for all to see is not a good idea, which is why I referred to PMs in my post (giving the address to such and such specifically), and I do reserve myself the right to choose who i give out my address too but tbh, bad things can come from any direction and call it naive, but I dont see a reason to be scared of all of humanity because of the few bad apples. I mean im pretty sure the kids who get shot in highschool shootings were being very safe in the first place and protected by their parents.
    I choose to take that leap of faith, because I dont want to miss out on the great things that might come out of it. I dont mean to get philosophical on anyone and you are right DO NOT POST ADDIES ONLINE, but who's to say that if you PM it, that person wont go and post it online themselves? there's no way to know, and everyone's a stranger before you get to know them.

    Personally, I think opportunity wins over fear for me on this issue

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    I *was* supposed to join in a kind of circle swapping small cards, making ten each and send them through snailmail, but I never got around to it. I'd be up for this as long as time permits.

    When it comes to the snailmail and giving out adress thing, I don't have a problem with that whatsoever. I happen to have a lot of people from CA as friends on facebook just to mention one place which most people know about, and when you know my full real name and all that whackamabob, I know quite a few things more scary than sending my adress to Grief in a PM, hehe. Hell, my username here is my middle name which I'm not shy to say, and also, if I'm ever gonna hit it big in the future at some point, my name has to get out there, and as probably the only one worldwide with my particular name, it won't be hard to find my adress in the first place, it's called phone books

    Also, I'm going to the WS this summer, and I'm seriously not gonna just say "I'm Sorknes" there, so yeah, bring it on, lol!

    *crosses fingers for being able to participate*
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    Since this hasn't been touched on much...how do people feel about receiving prints of digital paintings?

    *Edit* Personally, I'm like Grief in the sense that I don't really care what is sent. It's a really fun and friendly idea that I support 100%, and have already started brainstorming for. Really it just seems sensible to figure out what people expect from the get go, and to keep things simple. I'd prefer addresses not be posted online, but exchanged in a more private matter simply due to some problems I've had before, but like Petitemistress I consider the risk worth the experience.
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    It'd be fun to have it in certain groups... then again it would be way cooler to have some pros in on this!

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    This sounds like great fun, I'd definitely be interested, so count me in! Considering all the free time I'll most likely have this summer (given that I'll stay unemployed all summer, which is very plausible), I don't see a reason why not to join.

    I'm also all for keeping this simple and fun, but I still wouldn't mind it we'd be throwing in a theme occasionally where people could choose to participate or not. It's been ages since I got anything worthwhile via snail mail, so I'd be thrilled to get any art-related pretties from you guys
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    hey folks, sorry about the delay of updates. i spent the last few days occupied by other distractions and it gave time for me to mull over ideas about this project.

    this most likely wont be a full-fledged community event, in the sense of having a fixed timeline or theme. however some periodic seasonal goodies may be in store (ie winter holidays / valentine's and maybe some others), but certainly don't expect weekly/monthy topics.

    i made a structure that could theoretically simplify the mailing process if a vast number of people hop aboard. this would involve making each user participating become the monthly 'theme' where all of other users only have to send letters to one user per month. this would cut down on the amount of mailing while giving people the opportunity to be the 'spotlight' and recive mail from everyone else in a flood at once over the course of their month.

    but to set up something like that would require a chart of users working their way up the ranks, so that the users who do contribute the most are bumped on the priority list to be the focus for the month. this would create incentive for users to participate and send letters to others as a means of getting in line for their turn.

    but the whole thing becomes inefficient and cumbersome when the community of participants is close and small. (and im not sur ei did a very good describing it, and im sur ei lef tout some of the smaller aspects which protect users privacy)

    on the topic of privacy i can't act as an overlord protecting everyone. so everyone involved will have to use their best judgement discretion in providing their personal mailing information. if some of you are shakey and uncertain, then feel free to sit this out. its not mandatory and if you feel uncomfortable for any reason its probably better just to follow your gut feelings. i do not want to scare anyone away, but at the same time my intention is not to dupe or scam anyone into joining. i'm sure there are a lot of people that would liek to see this up and running for awhile before they dip their toes into the pool, so to speak.

    that said, i'm certainly down for this, and ive recieved a couple PMs over the past few days inquiring about when this is gonna get fired up. i would appreciate if people would give a sound answer (yes i'll participate, no thanks i'm just a curious observer, etc). to those of you who have already voiced interest and want to join in on the soon-to-be-fun i'll send a PM your way sometime this weekend.

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