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    Hockney goes digital

    This is pretty amusing and groan inducing.
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    only in the last year that computer software has advanced enough to keep up with the artist’s hand and allow sufficient sensitivity of colour and painterly line.
    *beats head against wall*

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    what can work traditionally doesn't mean it can work digitally. Can you imagine if Rothko worked digitally? I doubt he would be as revered as he is.
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    sigh.... i dont know what else to say.

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    OMG!

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    Oh man, that picture was APPALLING. The Fine Art "establishment" is so far behind on technology, and the times, specifically relating to image making, it really shows how the rest of the art world has moved on from them. It seems like, if you look at publications and stuff that the people that were the forerunners, and the creators, and the critics of the previous generation of famous artists and collectors has turned into a bubble, where they only look at and take seriously each others work, and rarely consider anything outside their bubble significant. Meanwhile an entire new generation of artists, that include graffiti artists, tattoo artists, cartoonists and illustrators have created their own "art world" without the need for the approval of the previously important "art establishment" All the art I see in Juxtapose, and Hi-Fructose is stuff that I wish I had been aware of while I was in school. My exposure to "fine art" while in school was essentially all political, gender/sexuality/identity issue art, and anything that didn't aim at that particular target was considered basically just childish. Meanwhile people who were more certain of their personal directions than I was at the time, just said FUCK YOU I can make art about whatever the fuck I want to. Since then it seems like the West Coast, graff/street-art/pop-surrealism movement has done nothing but grow in terms of the number of artists and galleries involved, but also in terms of cultural significance. Meanwhile the contemporary cultural significance of the old New York guard has completely evaporated.
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    some were clumsy, but they were neat, and they still feel like Hockney. His process of simplifying works better on real canvas, but he's just starting with this... Anyway, he's already better than me at it.

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    That's adorable :3

    I quite like Hockney.. it's cool to see him trying something new, but yeah it's pretty atrocious.

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    Although I risk sounding like a noob for asking this, what exactly makes that art piece atrocious?

    And yes, I notice the obvious but I'm curious as to what this (apparently) established artist did wrong to create something like...that.

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    Perhaps it's a step in making digital art more interesting for the galleries.
    Can't wait till it gets printed on canvas and sold for a few million bucks :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Equality72521 View Post
    what can work traditionally doesn't mean it can work digitally. Can you imagine if Rothko worked digitally? I doubt he would be as revered as he is.
    Him and Degas, Rembrandt, and Van Gogh. It would've been strange to see them at it.
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    Hockney stated that it is only in the last year that HE REALIZED computer software has advanced enough to keep up with the artist’s hand and allow sufficient sensitivity of colour and painterly line.
    Fixed.

    (To be fair, it's not a direct quote, and probably the result of the journalist's lack of understanding more than anything else. Doesn't change the fact of the picture, though.)

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    Wow, seeing that picture at the top and then reading the article about it really makes you think... 'WTF' comes to mind, for instance.

    I wonder what that article would be saying if these pictures were made by someone who isn't famous

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    Quote Originally Posted by l33t fl33t View Post
    Although I risk sounding like a noob for asking this, what exactly makes that art piece atrocious?

    And yes, I notice the obvious but I'm curious as to what this (apparently) established artist did wrong to create something like...that.
    Mhm, I think I was too harsh with 'atrocious', but it doesn't seem like anything special to me

    There's more of his work on gallery site: http://www.annelyjudafineart.co.uk/

    Quote Originally Posted by Crush View Post
    Wow, seeing that picture at the top and then reading the article about it really makes you think... 'WTF' comes to mind, for instance.

    I wonder what that article would be saying if these pictures were made by someone who isn't famous
    I was wondering that. If these were done by someone non-famous and posted up on here I'm sure there'd be a slew of advice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Edwards View Post
    Mhm, I think I was too harsh with 'atrocious', but it doesn't seem like anything special to me

    There's more of his work on gallery site: http://www.annelyjudafineart.co.uk/
    That was a genuine question, not an accusation. What did he do wrong to get THAT?

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    For me, the weakest piece was the one displayed in the article, and it has more to do with what I expect from digital painting, than disliking any artistic style. When I see Hockney's traditional painting, I can see the nuance and delicacy, even when he's slopping paint around. It works, and it looks deliberate.

    With this piece here, even knowing Hockney did it, I still feel it's rather clumsy, and made based on a very dim understanding of how to use Painter or Photoshop to make a painting. And, even knowing it's Hockney, I still cringe when a digital painting uses such crude, unblended brushstrokes - almost jokingly put together. Mr. Hockney would do very well to take a course in digital painting, and I'd strongly suggest he download some of the tutorials here on this site.

    Let's look more at the piece. The colors are a little wacky, but what really stands out are the textures. The clouds in the sky don't feel at all like clouds, or even a child's representation of clouds. The water in the foreground doesn't feel like water. The raindrops on the lower right don't have the delicacy or precision of real raindrops landing in water. The most saturated color is the hill in the distance - which should be the most muted. This was obviously done on purpose, and works to some extent, for that reason. The lighting, on the other hand... That also seems deliberate, but just feels a total failure to me. They're hard edged blocks of yellow - when we know he can at least make the clouds and water blurry, why are the lights these flat, chunks of yellow? It seems like a poor joke on making things opposites. I like humor in art, but this is just a bad joke.

    All in all, there's just not a lot of time or care in this piece. If he'd wanted to, he could've zoomed in, and reworked every detail of that to make it sing, in any style of his choosing. As it stands, it just feels it was painted by the same guy who made these characters: At least he didn't use filters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TASmith View Post
    For me, the weakest piece was the one displayed in the article, and it has more to do with what I expect from digital painting, than disliking any artistic style. When I see Hockney's traditional painting, I can see the nuance and delicacy, even when he's slopping paint around. It works, and it looks deliberate.

    With this piece here, even knowing Hockney did it, I still feel it's rather clumsy, and made based on a very dim understanding of how to use Painter or Photoshop to make a painting. And, even knowing it's Hockney, I still cringe when a digital painting uses such crude, unblended brushstrokes - almost jokingly put together. Mr. Hockney would do very well to take a course in digital painting, and I'd strongly suggest he download some of the tutorials here on this site.

    Let's look more at the piece. The colors are a little wacky, but what really stands out are the textures. The clouds in the sky don't feel at all like clouds, or even a child's representation of clouds. The water in the foreground doesn't feel like water. The raindrops on the lower right don't have the delicacy or precision of real raindrops landing in water. The most saturated color is the hill in the distance - which should be the most muted. This was obviously done on purpose, and works to some extent, for that reason. The lighting, on the other hand... That also seems deliberate, but just feels a total failure to me.

    All in all, there's just not a lot of time or care in this piece. If he'd wanted to, he could've zoomed in, and reworked every detail of that to make it sing, in any style of his choosing. As it stands, it just feels it was painted by the same guy who made these characters: At least he didn't use filters.
    Yes, that work seems rather weak. I've looked over to what the rest of his work looks in comparison, and it seems to me that these are baby steps in the digital art.

    Also, now that you mention the wasp & scorpion emoticons, what's the deal with the sprites?.
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    this seems apropos:

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    People will buy anything.

    He should be directed to this site and be ashamed to think he has created anything worth showing in a gallery.

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    Ahahahahahahahaha... I think I hurt my liver from laughing too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArqArturo View Post
    Also, now that you mention the wasp & scorpion emoticons, what's the deal with the sprites?.
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    I totally agree with what Cthogua said up there in post #6 about this "Art world". Fact is a fella with the name he has acomplished to have, can make anything he wants, and people will buy and cheer and all that jazz...

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    I wonder how many of those up-themselves art critics, who can dismiss the most astonishing digital art as beneath contempt, will now be queuing up to toady to Hockney now he's managed to discover what those magic computer boxes can do. (In theory only, of course, those pictures are totally degenerate and can only reduce the standing of digital art in the eyes of the public)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Rainville View Post
    Woa that's... I'm pretty sure that guy must've trolled.

    From the rest of ED... Wow, I never thought that some of the bad deviants were here.
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    We should put that in the critique section and see what happens.
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    You've got to admit, he's an artist in terms of self promotion and PR.

    Andy Warhol is my all time hate. "Art is a business" he said, and ever since then the fineart world has been in a business regulated, meaningless, conceptualist, timewarp 60s bubble. BAH!

    Hopefull it will change soon, I study fine art sculpture myself, the reason fine art seems stuck in this loop is because of big business and a few 'old school' artists who refuse to quit or loosen their hold over the art world and whos grip is maintane-

    ...wait..ranting

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    I think it needs more chimneys.

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    It needs a happy tree and fun bush off to the side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pic View Post
    You've got to admit, he's an artist in terms of self promotion and PR.

    Andy Warhol is my all time hate. "Art is a business" he said, and ever since then the fineart world has been in a business regulated, meaningless, conceptualist, timewarp 60s bubble. BAH!
    Eh, I can't complain. Architecture is a business, but then again we're doing this to make people's lives better, in a way.
    However, some of us like to think that our trade is also artistic.
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    Art's always been a business, but it's also always been more than that. So there you go.

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