View Poll Results: What do you think to a super-posable artist's manikin?

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    Talking Please support - Super-articulated pose ref manikin.

    ** PLEASE NOTE: this is no longer a CA project or being pursued by CA members etc... as far as creating a figure. HOWEVER!! there are a few companies out there as of Oct 2017 when I am writing this that ARE creating very much what I was hoping for as far as accurate pose ref... please see later/last posts for details. If nothing else this helps prove yes we as creatives ARE interested! **

    Hello all CA peoples - artists, designers, animators & all people who think it's high time a more useful & fully posable manikin is created and widely available for us creatives.

    Before I go any further I would like to express thanks to Rockhead, Sakievich and William Whitaker for bringing peoples attention to this excellent figure and opportunity.

    I have been in contact with awesome sculptor Dave Cortes who created this Spiderman figure back in 2003/4 - it's 18" tall with 67 points of articulation (inc hands and fingers, feet etc) and already used by many artists worldwide as a manikin of sorts.

    Edit: As I have said further down the page 'For now I'm hoping the super-posable manikin could be a direct replacement for the classic wooden manikin as a realistic reference for poses' - please keep this in mind when making suggestions for this manikin - realistic pose ref is the focus. Other ideas and suggestions are more than welcome though - who knows, we might get enough support to encourage a few different versions to be produced eventually!

    Another edit: Plans have changed! - Jason Manley has contacted me (see later in this thread) to say MassiveBlack/ConceptArt are very interested in helping create a super-articulated artist's manikin! Excellent news!

    Yet another edit: Things had completely ground to a halt.. but! another possibility has arisen in the form of a fellow CA member working on a design ...

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    Please see the original thread in 'references and inspirations' for lots more info, experiences and cool pics: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26396

    Now what I'm proposing is to ask Dave Cortes to create an artist's specific version of this figure *please see the edit above* and he has already expressed interest in looking into it if there is enough interest!

    So come on CA - lets show support by voting in the poll attached to this thread!

    Please use this thread to post comments, experiences and pics of your own 18" spidey & suggestions for the possible new manikin.

    More info on Dave Cortes can be found at his sites:

    www.inuart.com
    www.pugzee.com

    Thanks for being involved - I really want this to become a reality!
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    Yeah i would support this .

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    Think it would be great if there were more options for people who don't have access to live models on a regular basis...but admittedly I'd say cost would be a major factor.

    For example...there are already Asian Ball-Jointed Dolls which are rather articulated, can stand on their own, have interchangeable hair/clothes/eyes, and are ~20 inches tall...but they aren't exactly anatomically correct (heads are too big for example, and it creeps me out that all the guys look like girls), and the cost is prohibitive ($500 is low-end). Also depends on the maker/model as to how much torso articulation is in the torso.
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    i remember reading that thread a while back and was really wanting one until i realized it was a few years old. I would definitely buy one in a heartbeat.
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    I would buy one.
    It should have standard proportions tough.

    Perhaps it could have anatomical information painted on or sculped in, this would make it easier for beginners to know what goes where.

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    I would like to buy this as well, do you have an estimated price maybe? That would decide if I would buy one or more than one

    I'd like this figure to be in a neutral colour like gray, or a skin tone wouldn't bother me much either. The muscles should be reasonably articulated (so that we can see different muscle bulges, but it should be way less articulated than spidey. Also I read that William Whitaker bought one which he painted gray and he sanded off some of the largest bulges, which turned out to look pretty good. He said that he took off some of the crotch area as well, so that the legs had some more movability.

    I'll be following this idea and this thread because such a mannikin would really really help my sketches.

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    P.S. I thought that maybe the big toe and the other four toes could be two separate pivot points instead of one?

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    I bought that figure back when I was looking for things for students to draw. If you're going to get an artist to make/sell something for art purposes, it'd be much better to have an accurate skeleton, with detachable muscle pieces, connecting exactly where and how they should on the figure. I'd buy that.

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    I agree with TASmith - I'd also be very interested in some kind of ecorche figure too, at affordable prices for student budget
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    Thanks everyone so far for getting involved and showing support! :thumbs up:

    Time for me to clarify a few points methinks!

    Aphotic Phoenix - yes price is certainly a factor here as the proposed manikin needs to be affordable. Price is one of the main things I want to work out asap - as soon as I have an idea from Dave Cortes I'll let you all know

    Equality & Jake -thanks for the support!

    Rubbadub & Marleen - Good point - I forgot to make clear that the proposed manikin is intended to have standard realistic proportions/build and muscle tone of an average athletic male and I would like to see it in a flat colour - not the over-exaggerated body-type on the Spidey figure! I would also love to see a female version of this super-posable manikin made at the same time but we'll see!

    TASmith, Atastrophea & Rubbadub - I feel going the route of detachable muscle groups, although very useful to certain artistic situations, would raise the complexity and price of the proposed figure to an impractical level if done for the main figure. Having said that, I do have plans to discuss a range of versions with Dave Cortes that would cater for those needing a greater focus on anatomy. I'll let you know as soon as I can whether this level of extra detail is viable within a price range that's affordable.

    For now I'm hoping the super-posable manikin could be a direct replacement for the classic wooden manikin as a realistic reference for poses. I like the idea about the toes Marleen - thanks! (also I think you meant that the muscles should be less 'exaggerated' not less 'articulated'?)

    Thanks again - keep the votes and comments coming!

    (note: I may not always be able to reply right away but will keep checking this thread so don't worry - I'll be reading comments!)
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    I have just spent several times the original asking price for this because of its scarcity. I'd gladly spend the same again to get my hands on an artist's version.

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    I would buy more than one of these if I could find them.

    First, I love Spidey, and then, this comes in very handy.

    I actually wouldn't mind if it would be another Spider Man figure.
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    yes, I was thinking more of a separate muscly specialist one on top of the initial mannequin concept.

    I would like to say that although spideys colours are distracting and I'm generally in favour of a flat colour, I have already found it useful that his front is red and his back blue, as it shows when I have got overexcited posing him and twisted his limbs beyond the natural twist a human is capable of.....

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    The biggest hurdle with using figures of this sort is the lack of any shoulder movement (trapezius, clavicle, shoulder blades.) That severely limits its usefulness.
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    My bf has one of these. It's awesome. I'd love a flat-color artists' version, especially since I want to have at least 3 figures to do multi-figure compositions. *But* they would be even better if a little bit of the crotch was removed so the leg can go one more click inward, and if he could raise his arms above his head. I wouldn't care about a female version though just because these are useful for posing, weight, and foreshortening, and beyond that you have to make up the details of the figure to get anything realistic, so translating it to female instead of male isn't that much more work. If there were both male and female I'd get both, it's just not a requirement to me.

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