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    JORDYBOARDY thanks bro haha I'm glad the feel messy and raw because thats how i feel when i paint em. you are right on target about the colors, im going to go over the still life tomorrow i think with oils and mix up some true colors this could be a cool underpainting

    il keep it in mind

    Ivom thanks mate !

    ugh so im feelin pretty down about my digis haha i tryed to paint like 3 enviros from my head (normally it will come pretty naturally i did thumbnails and even a couple quick studies to get in the mood ) but i couldnt stick with any of em they all fell to pieces, i think i just need to get back in to the flow with digital its feeling pretty clunky for me right now

    the trees are from ref just outside my window and the bird is from photo (roughly 45-60 min each )

    i was trying to do some bird studies while they were at the feeder but the fly around so crazy i could just barely get in some gestures haha


    page 9 eh ? time to kick it up another notch, i liked last page a lot more then the rest heh

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    Great post Zorcron
    I feel the same way about painting digitally everyday, it just depends on what I am painting. I feel especially down when I'm painting something new, but the best thing to do I think is to start over and paint it again and again until you get right. Now go do more studies dude. These look especially good. keep it up

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    dude, I love JMW Turner!

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    DUDE YES! thank god somebody who understands haha he is THE man when he died he had something like 19,000 unfinished watercolors/sketches 9000 unfinished oils and who knows how many more

    i especially love Turner's latter work similar to Rembrant in the way that as they got older they cared less about making a living and more about painting for the sake of art or at least it would seem in that they got less popular and started doing very modern"for the time" work

    they both went crazy and started ripping apart paintings but if it means i could paint at their calibre hopefully il go batcrazy get sick and start painting death too


    alrighty no more posts without images


    these are for anybody who has not seen turner please look him up (in no particular order)


    these images do no justice to the actuall paintings them selves ive had the privilege to gaze apon many for hour apon hour (true euphoria) ((( These are images from GOOGLE i did not paint these hah i wish ))))

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    a quickie Acrylic on canvas landscape portrait format and a sneak peak at my preliminary drawings for the installation im planning on the beach ( a couple drawings of the same portion of the shore )

    roughly guestimating fallen driftwood logs (which i will be using) to find the actuall height of these pillars on the landscape. its so hard to explain heh but i hope these sketches help visualize my idea a bit more

    pen over photographs i took today

    the scanner is playing tricks with these photos i took it made them look really old heh

    Palladium thanks for the support bro good idea with restarting what doesnt look right, working in to something that isnt right at the moment is just wasting time unless you are making super awesome changes lol !


    Wiki definition "Installation art describes an artistic genre of site-specific, three-dimensional works designed to transform the perception of a space" pretty good

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    Those turner recreations are AMAZING!!! I especially love the last one. I wouldn't mind going batass crazy either if I could create like that! :3

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    they arent recreations merely photographs from the internet im flattered you think i could paint like that though heh

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    I feel super stupid now
    It's partially due to the fact that I'm not too familiar with his work.
    O jeez, I made a fool of myself.

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    beautiful works! also, i really envy you have such a great painting room~ you are good at traditional works~ keep your feet!

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    I want your painting room soooo bad. Its not fair I have to work in a kitchen to paint and its not very inspiring T_T

    Thanks for the tips. The environment isn't close to done but thanks for pointing those things out. Will make it easier later >.> I've been busy trying to get the dumb colour of the rocks which are a unusual shade of red and grey and green somehow combined together and it makes me sad...

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    wow great sketchbook! and holy fudgecake you're only 16? But yeah you can see a turner influence in your work, i think it looks great! (i like turner and other people from his time like wiertz and friedrich a lot as well)
    Thanks for the advice you gave me btw, i'll def try it more. Sorry for the noob question, but what type of paper would you recommend for charcoal?


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    2 more pen on photo drawings planning out my installation il probably start working on the installation mid march because
    soon the pan ice is going to start building up on the shore if it gets cold enough

    scanning printed photos makes em look old and grainy

    UmpaArt heh dont sweat it man go look at his work though its worth a chunk of time for sure !

    Zhoupeng Thanks alot ! yeah im really lovin my new space it sure does beat my small room, its great to have a physical space for working that is serperate from anything else

    My57 i know how you feel when the weather starts getting better use the outdoors as your studio ! thats what i do a lot i just pack up my paints in a huge backpack,
    wrap up some pallets with tin foil take a big bottle of water and paper towel for cleaning my brushes, fit a few canvas boards in there and you are set.

    cant wait for the weather to start looking up again! yeah neutral colors sometimes are pretty hard to get just right i know i still have a lot of trouble with my greys and
    browns but im working on it ! keep up the good work really lovin your SB

    Lav thanks age has got nothing to do with it though ive seen way better artists my age the main thing is how much time,thought,work the person has devoted,
    some people start painting when they are 9 some 13 some 20 some 35 some 50

    everybody walks their own paths... as far as paper goes i would just do some quick gestural work try and get your hands on a roll of newsprint... start using
    that stuff for all your quick gestures you work super large and i bet you the confindence in your line will improve greatly

    thanks everybody

    right now if i put this up it will be my best work so far IMO inspires so many thoughts for me right now this is based on how i view this piece of land almost a borderlands between the ocean and land the push and pull between the two can be long and draw out or quick and violent

    the installation for me represents the borderlands between the two very different landscape (JUST GOTA WAIT TILL MARCH! spring )

    working in 3d space and time is a whole new ballgame with really crazy challenges i love my paint but this is really somthin else

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    That installation concept is coming along nicely dude. Can't wait to see it completed

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    cool looking studio, definitely seams nice place to have a quiet place just for painting, looks like it has a nice view too, and is that a microwave I see? I'll also mention that winsor and newton make some oil paint that works with water which would probably be easier on your body in the long term.

    Anyway for this peace here http://conceptart.org/forums/attachm...1&d=1260849679 I think if you emphasized that c curve and flattened all of its lines into a single line in the distance you could in essence use the tool of convergence from linear perspective in a organic painting. That beach painting in the post before is amazing as well. Mostly I am just suggesting you could augment the effect.

    As far as portraits go the last portrait painter that I looked into was Steven Assael who does a great job of making skin tones glow, so he might be worth looking into. First heard about him here http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=84105 . Found some steps here http://ericrhoads.blogs.com/the_port...en-assael.html.

    For the sketch here http://conceptart.org/forums/attachm...1&d=1262570680 I think you could have placed some lighter elements on the left to give it some more depth with atmospheric perspective. The values for it overall are very good though. Maybe try framing some foreground elements once in a while too.

    on a side note, Is the anatomy book you have, "classic human anatomy ... "?

    Everything looks like its coming along nicely, just keep it up!

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    busy all day but i made the time to go out in the studio late tonight and get in my painting ! nothing gets in my way haha

    just some landscape study acrylic on cavas some pen here and there the first one is obviously more finished then the second

    with the first one ive layed in a bit of groundwork but now i can push and pull the values and start to build up some nice variation i think i spent way too long trying to mix a grey that was not really different then all the other greys in the dumb photo i miss working from outside this weather suckkksss

    ive probably spent 15 min on the second one or so but i know i always like seeing other people's raw sketches so...

    Surfandsnow wow man you never stop posting informative positive morale / crit do you ? thanks for the wonderfull links and feedback im not quite sure of what you mean by "Frame the foreground " but i do realise i should not forget about it i think for a a lot of my paintings it ends up being just a dead space il work on fixing this problem though !

    as far as oil paints that work with water ive seen em at the local art store but i kind of wondered if they would actually do the job

    also do you know anything about the consistancy ? i work with linseed stand oil a lot i really love how thick it gets pushing it around the canvas all day is just pure joy

    Palladium thanks bro i cant wait either haha

    WORKING every day im getting quite a bit done i cant believe how lazy i used to be with my art

    expecting to see progress a'las expectations lead to misery but i'd rather be miserable and get lots of work /painting done then what ever else RAWR!

    i need to get back to some portrait and figure work as well

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    Some nice work. Your paintings and drawings are quite expressive and I really like that one image you were working on of the stairway in the dark cave(?) at the top of the page. Is that one still a WIP or are you still working on it?

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    thanks for posting your 15 minute painting. As you said, we all love seeing the raw sketches. For some reason they are usually really interesting.

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    Really great work. Your colors are very nice too. Better then I could ever do with acrylic. Keep it up.

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    hrm the winter is so cold, grey and depressing right now

    a snow covered field acrylic sketch on canvas

    Drgnelf thanks very much ! i dont think il keep working on that paticular painting though i did learn a lot, perhaps i will revisit the idea soon...

    Umpaart thanks mate , well for me personally when i look at someones "raw sketches " i can see how they work and think a little more clearly then just something more finished and polished. keep up the sketches !

    Brubaker thanks lots ! though i need way more work with color im sure you could play with acrylics and learn much if thats what you want i sure do recommend it haha, its just too much fun !


    im trying to break out of my landscape comfort zone at least with my composition and work with canvas sizes i dont normally work with squarish and portrait scale but i really should cut down on the landscape i suppose *sigh* just one more turns in to one more turns in to more haha


    i wont be able to paint from friday to monday ive got a grandfather visiting who i shall have to entertain hopefully il come back with some renewed vigor !

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    nice stuff man, I really see improvement in your digital and traditional works, you definitely start to nail those colors and values in place, keep the practice waiting for more.

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    just attempting to give back what this community has given to me and by "framing a Element of the foreground" I meant to pick a element like a tree, post, wall etc and move it so close to the "camera" that it would block out(take up and or go into) a large portions of the frame, perhaps the entire width and or height of the frame etc. It alters the composition quite a bit so it might not be something to do all the time, but it can add quite a bit of depth though.

    I actually had a link in mind but was a little too lazy to find it, but here it is http://features.cgsociety.org/story_...id=3275&page=3 the part about the L at the top of the article. In the article they sort of frame middle ground elements, but I think it would push the contrast of distance more if it was done with a element of the foreground. dont know anything about consistency though, dont work with paint that much, just see some stuff about paints etc every once in a while.

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    Awesome SB Zorcon!! Love your enviro's, especially the canvas work. Keep up the good work my friend!!

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    alright so when are you gunna teach me to manipulate space year freak'n go'n into enterdamisions HAHA is yer grandpa into art maybe you can paint him an entertain 2 for one special

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    Wows, nice traditional stuff man - you're right I should try more stuff like this, great work! Wish I was so enthusiastic at your age Hope you make the most of it!

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    Alrighty hey guys im back, hope all is well

    i had an interview at NSCAD im thinking il go there for now and then maybe exchange second year second semester to Cooper union and see whats what (still going to do the home test though )
    so anyways my interview was with the Chair of Foundation year and he gave me tons of solid feedback.
    i got my Portfolio Waived so i dont need to worry about that as far as my application goes


    went to the beach today and did a couple installation studies just sort of getting my feet wet before i delve in to this big project

    My grandfather is a super conservative business man who and i quote said "if everybody was ""creative" the whole world would fall apart " i tryed to explain how the great leaders and thinkers of the world are very creative so are engineers and scientists ect (im a creative type now lol wtf )

    anywho he doesnt like the fact im going to artschool ect ect (though i was very understanding and polite while he was here )
    he makes fun of and downplays things he doesnt understand bah !

    so screw him

    heres one of my fav chill tunes just sit back close your eyes and crank the Volume

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    DannyK thanks bruv il keep at it ! keep up the great work yourself

    Surfandsnow those links were very helpful thanks for clearing that up

    Turbosnail thanks mate, you too !

    GRANNNNYYY hey bruv thanks YOU ROCKKK CANT GET ENOUGHHHH .... haha good idea but read above

    AlexTooth totally i look forward to seeing some, thanks im just lucky i got to find what i love so early in life

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    You've got some sweet new studio space you know? Lucky. On the painting front, I would say slow down a little and make sure you put down what you want and where the first time. Things are looking a bit rushed.

    The landscapes are my favourite subject matter of yours. There's lots of emotion in them. Post 231 are also the best of the paint-jar paintings in my mind. The yellow works well in the one, and the shape of both is the best of the batch.

    Congratz on the NSCAD news! And the instalation piece looks interesting. Have you thought of using things other than driftwood?

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    Thanks for the post in my book dude, you've got some really awesome experiments and oil paintings in here. Why not try painting some reproductions of Turner's work? Master studies are great ways to improve, even if it's not very close to the original.

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    the quote of your granddad made me laugh a little How can you even be a good problem solver if you cant think creativly and outside the box? O.o
    Anyways, really curious to see the end result of your installation, too bad you have to wait till march >.<

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    ugh i havnt got much done in the past week heres a quick sketch while having coffee im working on my Essays right now for my applications

    i ordered this huge ass sketchbook like seriously huge im pumped for it to arrive haha

    i really need to leave lines when i put them down i think this probably looked fine as a quick sketch with the first 15 marks.... i get too scribbly time to start fixing it

    Pixie Trick yeah im pretty sure i need to do that with everything heh "slow down and think about what i put down" i need to find a nice balance between energy and cleanliness

    thanks , yeah i need to find a good way of producing that arch shape i have in the drawings its almost like a prediction of where each piece will fall/ how they stood up anywho i like the shape. so perhaps with some rods of steel or wire or something i need to figure that out...

    Jasper thanks mate, thats a good idea il get at it ... i really love your work by the way keep it up !

    Lav hah yeah... what can you do . im starting the installation tomorrow or the day after depending on people... i figured i can do it in crap weather too it will probably yield better results anyways = )

    (what a crap post il make up for it... )

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    Get yourself something big and permanent (Like a kid's magic marker or something that sort of size..big sharpie... whatever) and automatically, if you put too many lines it turns into a big black inkspot. Good incentive.

    In terms of slowing down, a mix of timed long and short pieces pushes you to be versatile. Like between 1 minute and two+ hours. Do a master study like Jasper said and spend a good 10 hours on it. Just suggestions...



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