I started this thread to ask the question: "why is it that when we say adult animation, the implication is that we are discussing a form of animated pornography?
I agree that there is a lot of animation and anime out there that is basically pornography. Basically, there has been a lack of clarification of what adult animation is. Mature animation is often thought of as adult animation but simply deals with adult themes.
For instance why are shows on CN in the adult swim slot considered not for children when some of the content is the same as shows that children view regularly on such shows as the Simpsons and Family Guy. In some instances these shows are more racy than those on adult swim.
The other mainstay is to classify anime as adult animation simply because it is anime. For instance, shows like Ghost in Shell would have much higher ratings on a weekday network TV timeslot than late at night to supposedly hide violent, adult, or intellectual themes behind the guise of being an adult.
So given this explanation, what exactly is adult animation, and how can we get more of it without persecution from those who would judge it by label as something based on pornography?
Anything by Ralph Bakshi is adult animation. And it's in no way porn. It has some sexual stuff, but it's no more than Family Guy does. If you don't know who he is, look up his stuff. He's amazing.
He does that kind of animation because that's what he knows. It's not Disney bullshit. I met him about a week or two ago, and he's an awesome person. He came to my animation classes and talked to us about all sorts of stuff. Seriously, if you like adult themed animation, he's the best. By far.
Liolev in the beginning of my post I asked the question why is adult animation considered to be porn by the label itself. That was the point of my post.
Also, HunterKiller, I think that there is, or at least should be a black or white in asking about adult animation. Neither of these words, adult or animation has the word porn in it. So why is adult animation considered porn? For me there is just one or the other reality. Pornography can be quickly identified as something that promotes or is an appetizer to porn, whereas adult animation has nothing to do with that experience.
Oh anibawl, I envy you having met the man who seems to be the only noticeable figure to have created this niche. Could you please give a little bit more detail as to the content of his character. I have only seen interviews. Does have or plan on creating a studio. Are there any projects in the works?
Also I've found this animation reel from a studio in Costa Rica. Really great stuff that I think deserves the label of adult animation at times.
He was really cool. He talked to us for like 2 classes and told us about how he hated the fact that Disney was making films about animals doing silly stuff and pretending like there wasn't a War going on. He wanted to show more of the real stuff going on in the world. He grew up in Brooklyn so he said rough stuff was what he knew. :]
He lives like 20 minutes from where my college is and his son is my teacher. I read on the wiki that he's the one who funded my program. Animation is my major at NMSU.
I don't think there IS a clear boundary between what you may call children's animation and adult animation.
Some would say that "Reggady Ann" is not appropriate for children at all, because of it's
cruel and harsh allegory of each character to a certain type of person (the depressed camel, the greedy who's.. well.. greedy, the selfish narcissist little king).
Some would show their children the contents of (the amazing) Sylvain Chomet although others may think it's totally adult content.
Here's a quote I found on youtube about "Fritz The Cat" by Ralph Bakshi:
I used to watch a lot this movie as kid xDDDDD
Again, the line is very thin.
About the context of adult animation to porn:
It is the most obvious thing to happen. It's the word "adult" which does the connection to porn.
For instance, when you say "adult content", the first thing you'll think about is, yup - porn.
I really didn't understand that quote Maybe I'd have to actually hear it.
Well, how many shows on adult swim, all of which have that "adult content, viewer discretion is advised" announcement, and none of them are porn... they have some sexual content, but not excessive or nasty. After seeing this same announcement thing for several years since Adult Swim's been airing, and NEVER seeing pornography in the cartoons, why do people still expect it?
It was said, but I think the connotation of the word "adult" that triggers the whole porn thing.
What I consider to be more relevant is why people instantly think of animated material as being childish. It just seams like anything in animated form carries the thoughts of a loony toons cartoon regardless of the subject matter. I think that is a more interesting point.
thats a limitation of the american mindset that was fostered by disney but has since been supported by the public. anything thats in animated form must be for kids. its a simplistic mindset that says anything thats not for kids has to be adult and the only meaning for adut can be pornographic. the problem lies with the american mindset
Yeap yeap, I agree with that completely. Look at anime, there is a lot more DEPTH in those things than some ducks and mice getting conked on the head by falling objects. Also a lot of Russian animation has stuff about death that you would NEVER see in Disney.
America's view on animation is Disney... Disney in a weird way tainted animation as an art form. In the american culture at least.
The concensus seems to be that other countries have it better in terms of animation being appreciated. Some people seem concerned in a way about free expression seasoned with an acceptance of toon pornography as a legitemate attempt at adult animated content. The official Wiki definition seems to accept the fact that some forms of adult animation are pornographic, but the better part of the definition says that they carry mature themes.
Adult animation is a term used to describe animation that is targeted at adults. Animated films and television shows may be considered adult for a number of reasons. Some productions are noted for experimental storytelling and animation techniques, or sophisticated storytelling. Others may be noted for a use of risqué themes, portrayal of violence, or sexuality in a manner that is unsuitable for younger viewers. Many adult animations contain multiple aspects defining the work as adult. Some adult animation is pornographic, although not all adult animated features are pornography. The United States animation industry has long attempted to distinguish animation as a medium in which any story can be told because of the perception that animated works are intended for children, although animation industries in other countries do not have this distinction.
Tyree you seem to be stalking me throughout the forums, do you create animation or have a portfolio?
Just don't put the word "adult" in front of "animation" if you don't want pornographic connotations.
Animation is a technique. It says nothing about the subject matter. I personally don't think of "animation" as being directed at children. That's what "cartoon" is for.
If you need to specify that the animation is directed at an adult audience, then express that in a description, not a categorical title, which can be clunky and vague. (made evident by this discussion)
Or if you want to give it a categorical title, take it from film - eg. animated drama, animated comedy, animated action... these don't sound like kid stuff to me.