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    Disney copied...Disney!

    Thought this may be of interest to some.

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    That is not surprising at all, those animations were made by lost masters of the art. I doubt anyone in the future of mankind will reach that amount of pencil drawn traditional animation knowledge and craftmanship as the nine old men of Disney did.

    Everyone not in the industry might be very surprised how common this method of working is. This applies to films and games.

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    What's "not surprising" is that this fundamentally unartistic practice would be championed as smart procedure by the likes of modern animators, whose works serve no other purpose than to fulfill the ambitions of their corporate overseers to funnel children into theaters, theme parks and gift shops.

    Anybody who still cares about post-1950's Disney must poop lollipops and fart cotton candy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Sobriquet View Post
    What's "not surprising" is that this fundamentally unartistic practice would be championed as smart procedure by the likes of modern animators, whose works serve no other purpose than to fulfill the ambitions of their corporate overseers to funnel children into theaters, theme parks and gift shops.

    Anybody who still cares about post-1950's Disney must poop lollipops and fart cotton candy.
    Admittedly, there have been a few post-50's Disney movies....that have mostly been handled by Pixar.

    Seriously, I'm not a fan of Disney, but Wall-E was made of awesome.

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    ha i didnt expect it to be that close! send this link to chandra!

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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Sobriquet View Post
    What's "not surprising" is that this fundamentally unartistic practice
    What's 'unartistic' about it?
    They came up with some good bits of acting and reused it.

    It's not like they copy pasted. The characters were significantly different in each film and would had to have been redrawn from scratch.

    Anyway, very interesting finding, hehe.

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    It is no less artistic than you are, which makes it fine by you - and I feel no need to challenge your contentment I will not debate the point.

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    To place things into context, There wasn't a lot of faith in the animation unit from the suits during the mid-60s to mid 80s and the studio's budget and production times were cut. They had to make due with what they had and use the resources available. To make matters worse Walt had passed on during the production of The Jungle Book (mid or late 60s) and faith diminished further.

    A lot of us might not remember as kids because we were introduced to Disney during the height of the Disney Renaissance but the animation studio was in a bad way until Little Mermaid. After the success of the Little Mermaid was interest in feature animation renewed by the masses.

    I believe it was Woolie Reitherman who took over the animation wing during this time, one of the nine old men. He was also an army man, an accomplished fighter pilot. He went in with the intention of getting the job done and done as well as they could manage with what they had.
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    A. Sobriquet please, please go back to Deviant art and come back when either,

    A, you post art

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    B, youve lived in real world, have learnt how to interact with people, and have let your 'philosophical ideas' become grounded in reality rather than your imagination.


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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Sobriquet View Post
    It is no less artistic than you are, which makes it fine by you - and I feel no need to challenge your contentment I will not debate the point.
    If this isn't a poor attempt at humour, maybe you should check out the last page of HunterKiller's sketchbook. Not exactly less than artistic.

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    Anybody who has some moral problem with this should try animating 15 feet in one week that meets a professional standard (not to mention this happens while you're overworked and likely underpaid). That's somewhere between 120 and 240 drawings, depending on whether you're animating on ones or twos.

    Hell, just try doing 120 unrelated sketches in a week...

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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Sobriquet View Post
    It is no less artistic than you are, which makes it fine by you - and I feel no need to challenge your contentment I will not debate the point.
    Oh please. STFU.

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    Heck, I doubt a lot of junior animators of today would be able to trace as well as they did given the same source material and more time. I think it speaks well of their skill at reskinning the animations that very few ever noticed before. And speaking of being artsier than thou, René Magritte only had a handful of original ideas he remade over and over and over.... I still beleive he was very influencial to the artists coming after him with his clever and often ironic images.

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    Quote Originally Posted by German-s View Post
    To place things into context, There wasn't a lot of faith in the animation unit from the suits during the mid-60s to mid 80s and the studio's budget and production times were cut. They had to make due with what they had and use the resources available. To make matters worse Walt had passed on during the production of The Jungle Book and faith diminished further.

    A lot of us might not remember as kids because we were introduced to Disney during the height of the Disney Renaissance but the animation studio was in a bad way until Little Mermaid. After the success of the Little Mermaid was interest in feature animation renewed by the masses.

    I believe it was Woolie Reitherman who took over the animation wing during this time, one of the nine old men. He was also an army man, an accomplished fighter pilot. He went in with the intention of getting the job done and done as well as they could manage with what they had.
    Yeah, this really has more to do with cultural acceptance of cartoons as serious media, and the financing available for animation at the time, then a failure of artistry. Feature length animation essentially died in the late 60s early 70s. For all their high ideals about the quality of their work Disney was still a ultimately a business attempting to make a profit off their product. If that meant re-using some bits of acting from older movies that would take nearly 30 years for anyone to even notice...I say by all means. Compared to nearly EVERYTHING ELSE that was being done in animation in the late 60's and 70's even Disney copying Disney was better than ATROCIOUS TV animation of the day. That shit makes even DragonballZ seem well animated.
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    It's pretty interesting to see how they managed to present repetitive actions as fresh/ new. Very nicely done too. Those old wise men were awesome.

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