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    The replacement sheets aren't smooth. From Wacom customer support:

    "The transparent replacement sheets has also a rough surface. If you pull off the current sheet and turn it around to use the backside, that is rather slippery."
    ( http://forum.wacom.eu/viewtopic.php?...lacement+sheet )

    I wonder what glue they recommend.


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    I like new surface, it is similar feeling as drawing on paper, but nibs are wearing out really fast, smoothest settings in wacom setup.
    Will try intuos 3 nibs, maybe there is some difference, thanks bumskee

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocicat View Post
    The replacement sheets aren't smooth. From Wacom customer support:

    "The transparent replacement sheets has also a rough surface. If you pull off the current sheet and turn it around to use the backside, that is rather slippery."
    ( http://forum.wacom.eu/viewtopic.php?...lacement+sheet )

    I wonder what glue they recommend.
    Hmm, thats an interesting suggestion. But I wonder if pulling it off will damage it? Will the reverse side be full of nasty adhesive residue? Let us know if you get brave enough to try it.

    I found a very nice piece of thick, semi-flexible clear plastic at the office store. It is the kind used to protect the top of desks from daily wear and tear. Very slick and resilient. I'm cutting it up to size and mounting it over the work area on my int4. I'll let you know if this turns out to be a viable work around.

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    Ok, got the work around installed and used it all day. So far, this is working out pretty well. Here's a bit more info in case anyone else out there is considering it:

    The plastic I used is a Clear Glassy Top Desk Pad (item #660-763) I picked up from Home Depot for about $15. There was almost (but not quite) enough plastic left over for two large intuos4 surfaces. You could easily get 2 medium tablets covered from one desk pad (use one, with a second for back-up?). The pad is pretty flexible and a couple millimeters thick. If you cut it on a professional cutting board, you can get nice, straight edges, which look tidy. Anyway, a half-dozen small pieces of double-sided scotch tape have secured the pad over the tablet firmly, but not so firmly you cant get it off if needed. The pad is made of pvc and is smooth as glass, which is how I like it. My nibs seem to like it too, as they glide over the work surface like ice (as opposed to sand paper, which is how it felt before). Prior to this work around, my nibs were getting chewed up at an alarming rate (see my above post). I think this new low-friction surface will improve the life of my nibs a hundred fold.

    The one potential drawback I identified today is that pressing super hard on the surface can dimple it. Like I said, this type of pad is a couple milimeters thick: while it is pretty durable, nibs are pointy and pushing very hard can leave marks. I dont have my sensitivity settings tweaked yet, so maximizing them might do away with this altogether. Another way to avoid this would be to get a different type of pad which isnt so thick (a flat sheet of mylar, for example). If this gets to be a problem in the days to come, I'll edit my post and let you know.

    So far so good, though. Love the new slick feel. Cant believe Wacom doesnt have options for this to cater to those of us who dont like the new, rougher texture.

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    I'm really glad I found this thread. I had heard about the nibs wearing down quickly. I've had a graphire4 for about 3 years, and have needed to replace the nib for the past 4 months but have never gotten around to it. I'm hoping to get an intuos4 sometime within the next two months.

    I'll probably be purchasing some mylar sheets like Wacom suggested, and if I do get the intuos4 I'll let you know how they work.

    update: Got the intuos4, still trying to get used to it, feel is much different then the graphire.

    After using it for a few hours the nib did indeed wear down the slightest bit. I tried putting it at the highest sensitivity but it was way too sensitive so I have resorted to putting a piece of plastic wrap over the nib on the pen, which seems to be working. Going to buy some mylar paper as soon as I can get a ride to the craft store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic-Spiritus View Post
    I'm really glad I found this thread. I had heard about the nibs wearing down quickly. I've had a graphire4 for about 3 years, and have needed to replace the nib for the past 4 months but have never gotten around to it. I'm hoping to get an intuos4 sometime within the next two months.

    I'll probably be purchasing some mylar sheets like Wacom suggested, and if I do get the intuos4 I'll let you know how they work.

    update: Got the intuos4, still trying to get used to it, feel is much different then the graphire.

    After using it for a few hours the nib did indeed wear down the slightest bit. I tried putting it at the highest sensitivity but it was way too sensitive so I have resorted to putting a piece of plastic wrap over the nib on the pen, which seems to be working. Going to buy some mylar paper as soon as I can get a ride to the craft store.
    I've been thinking about getting an intous4 but I'm not sure about it, also been on a graphire for years without wearing the nibs. Do you recommend it? is drawing easier on the intous4 or is it the same but with nibs that wear down like crazy???

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    Quote Originally Posted by DearDoraly View Post
    I've been thinking about getting an intous4 but I'm not sure about it, also been on a graphire for years without wearing the nibs. Do you recommend it? is drawing easier on the intous4 or is it the same but with nibs that wear down like crazy???
    The nibs DO wear down quickly, I've now been using some clear plastic sheets (not mylar) taped over the active surface to draw on to prevent wear on the nib, and because I also had a graphire to work with before and am used to the shiny surface.

    It's easier to draw with though, and the change in levels of pen pressure is very obvious. I find the active area is much more proportional to my screen then the graphire with it's more square shape.

    The only thing I don't like about it which has nothing to do with its working ability is because of the black shiny surface, it gets dirty-looking very quickly. The expresskeys are very useful, but my favorite part is the touch ring, which lets you adjust brush size quickly and zoom in/out as if you were using an ipod.

    All in all, I think you should get it. I'd love to know if you do get it though if you find the roughness of the active area odd like I do.

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    Hello, everyone! I'm new to this site and was glad to find an article addressing my concerns with the Intuos 4. You all seem to have a helpful, vibrant community here. I decided to join so I could ask for some clarification on this Intuos3 versus 4 issue. I have never owned a computer tablet before and will be getting an Intuos4 in the mail either today or tomorrow. I've read online about peoples' concerns with the device and I must say it has me concerned too! Thank you in advance for your time; here are my questions:

    I'm under the impression that the Intuos3 and earlier nibs are better than the Intuos4 nibs. Can you, in fact, use the older nibs with the Intuos4 pen?

    If you can use these older nibs, where is the best place to buy them?

    Lastly, what are some things I should know before first using my new tablet? Are there any tips or things I should have in mind to make my experience with it as best as possible?

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    My nibs have stopped wearing down... because my surface has worn out! I've not had it a year yet and it's polished all slick like the Intuos3. Suppose it's good news for those who like it like that... just persevere!

    I'm not happy about it, but I love the new surface too much to want to cover and protect it. I just ordered a replacement surface from the Wacom store... along with some nibs

    Nananaw: I just popped an intuos3 nib into my pen and it works fine. I imagine they can be found in the official wacom store, amazon or ebay. The Intuos4 comes with plenty of nibs though, I've still got most of them left. The only one too worn out to function is the new "flex" nib, which is what I ordered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Edwards View Post
    My nibs have stopped wearing down... because my surface has worn out! I've not had it a year yet and it's polished all slick like the Intuos3. Suppose it's good news for those who like it like that... just persevere!

    I'm not happy about it, but I love the new surface too much to want to cover and protect it. I just ordered a replacement surface from the Wacom store... along with some nibs

    Nananaw: I just popped an intuos3 nib into my pen and it works fine. I imagine they can be found in the official wacom store, amazon or ebay. The Intuos4 comes with plenty of nibs though, I've still got most of them left. The only one too worn out to function is the new "flex" nib, which is what I ordered.
    Thanks for the feedback, Liz! I got my tablet today and have been trying to get used to it. It took a lot of eye-hand coordination, but I think I have it now!

    I'll look into getting some Intuos3 nibs soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nananaw View Post
    Thanks for the feedback, Liz! I got my tablet today and have been trying to get used to it. It took a lot of eye-hand coordination, but I think I have it now!

    I'll look into getting some Intuos3 nibs soon.
    No problemo! Tablets do take a bit of getting used to, but you'll get the hang of it in no time be sure to start a sketchbook thread and show us what you're up to!

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    Thanks for posting your experiences Liz, I just got an Intuos 4 for christmas after using an Intuos 2 for about 8 years and completely *hate* the roughness of the surface, im glad to know its going to get worn down to that glassy feel once again - the pen drag is driving me nuts after just one day.

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    Amazon is selling the intuos4 nib accessory kit for those interested in getting a lot of nibs.

    http://www.amazon.com/Wacom-ACK40001.../dp/B002BH4QAA

    I also saw this: http://www.amazon.com/invisibleSHIEL...dp/B002AQO7XS/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arshes Nei View Post
    Sorry to go off-topic, but have you tried out the invisibleSHIELD yet? Does it feel different or more "artificial" then the normal surface? And the most important question: Does it stop the nib wear? Everything else would be unimportant for me, I don't mind a few scratches on my surface.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arestocrat View Post
    Sorry to go off-topic, but have you tried out the invisibleSHIELD yet? Does it feel different or more "artificial" then the normal surface? And the most important question: Does it stop the nib wear? Everything else would be unimportant for me, I don't mind a few scratches on my surface.
    This product has also been brought up on the Wacom forums. It covers everything except the surface area, so it doesn't help with nib wear.

    Here are some surfaces that people use and that you could try to avoid nib wear:

    - laminating photo paper
    - super-smooth 250 lb color-copier paper (Siedler/Canon)
    - transparent printing paper, overhead sheets
    - Intuos3 sheet (don't know if this is gluey on the back, so might not actually work without messing up the tablet)
    - clear plastic desk protector, clear glossy TopDeskPad, PVC
    - Mylar, paper vellum (plasticized)
    - thin plexiglas/acrylic glass
    - thin tracing sheet (plastic)

    Apply to Intuos4 with double sided painter's tape, electrical tape, scotch tape or medical tape.

    Some people also use smoothed toothpicks which I find to be a bit ridiculous. Since the nibs don't have any function except activating the pressure sensor, it is a better idea to find a local craftsman who can make you a couple of nibs out of a hard non-metallic material like glass, or cover your existing nib tips with such.

    This should make the nibs indestructible although the surface sheet of the Intuos4 will still wear down. This can result in an uneven distribution of smoothness, so using an alternate cover sheet might still be in order.

    The other option is using smooth sandpaper to evenly smoothen the existing Intuos4 surface to the level of an Intuos3. From that point on the surface and nibs should only show minimal wear, if any.

    Depending on the surface you choose, you might have to use an artist's glove since not all of them (but some) allow skin to glide smoothly. This comes down to trying different materials at an art or office supply store.

    Hope it helps.

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