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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeom View Post
    We should head into a libertarian Ayn Rand like Utopia!(go galt like some of the smarter members of congress have said).and wtf, community services uggghhh

    O yea and totally agree man obama is basicly Hitler, why can't people realize this ? I mean Hitler was like the master of communism and shit next to Stalin ya know? Any social services besides cops and the army(we have to kill those dumb terrorists) is totally evil.

    We need a libertarian revolution in this country!
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    This shit is hilarious. Gotta love the fox news generation of reactionary, trash-tv politics. The 8 year and counting media war waged on our intelligence is going to take a very long time to heal from apparently.

    Lounge mods: I know this will end up getting locked but can we bump this thread in four years so those of us who don't eagerly lap the bullshit up from the trough can say "I told you so" when we are not all in death camps by then?

    In other news, that coffee mug that the news man said would kill me, has not killed me. I survived the "summer of the shark" too. I'm really trying to keep my sense of humor through all this nonsense. Really, it's actually quite difficult to mask my disgust at everyone who has ever equated anyone who has not gassed six million Jews to Adolf Hitler. All the blubbering TV assholes who throw that metaphor around have never suffered a single day in their fat, numb lives.

    Stop being him ->

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    Lolz.... artists. shouldn't you guys be painting "we need you" propaganda posters or sumthin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by N D Hill View Post

    Stop being him ->
    But being him is so fun. It feels great to feel passionate about something. I like to believe strongly in something. Regardless of what it is that I am feeling strongly about, as long as I am passionate, it does not matter. Getting up on a soap box and talking loudly is a lot better than being calm, logical and critical. Pathos has more of an impact than Logos.

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    at any point in this did he say "Back to you chuck." ?

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    He's just pointing out history, something Hitler said. He didn't say Obama was Hitler so stop being such a squirmy little baby about it. I guess it would be foolish to gloss through history for lessons though. Apparently there's no sobriety in the notion that power corrupts, and has corrupted, for as long as there's been civilization. Are you ignorant enough to say it's been eradicated though? That mankind has reached a new plateau of morality? I'm sorry I must be on the wacky backy again. If I were to go back to 2002 and say "we're going to be in this war seven years from now and its scope will have expanded from what it was said it was going to be going in, we're going to just keep pounding and balkanizing the shit out of these guys with our zionist buddies, in fact we keep sending more troops and we also do end up torturing the shit out of some of their POWs." Would you believe me? If I went back in time to describe the patriot act before it rolled right through before anyone even knew what happened, would you believe me? Yea, I'm sure the same party of gov antagonist tomato throwers would be open to the possibility.

    In any case, there's no harm in being vigilant and I think it's pretty fucking disgusting when people get castigated for questioning the government and keeping an eye on things. Is it hurting you? The possibility is there whether you want to believe it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeom View Post
    I mean Hitler was like the master of communism


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nam View Post
    In any case, there's no harm in being vigilant and I think it's pretty fucking disgusting when people get castigated for questioning the government and keeping an eye on things.
    I think its pretty fucking disgusting when people are made out to be ignorant fools for not running around saying the sky is falling every time a bill is discussed.

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    I don't think I could have made my post any more of an obvious troll :V

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeom View Post
    I don't think I could have made my post any more of an obvious troll :V
    sadly, it is hard to tell the trolls from the serious people these days...

    I love when he says, "...got ya'll in a traaance."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nam View Post
    He's just pointing out history, something Hitler said. He didn't say Obama was Hitler so stop being such a squirmy little baby about it. I guess it would be foolish to gloss through history for lessons though. Apparently there's no sobriety in the notion that power corrupts, and has corrupted, for as long as there's been civilization. Are you ignorant enough to say it's been eradicated though? That mankind has reached a new plateau of morality? I'm sorry I must be on the wacky backy again. If I were to go back to 2002 and say "we're going to be in this war seven years from now and its scope will have expanded from what it was said it was going to be going in, we're going to just keep pounding and balkanizing the shit out of these guys with our zionist buddies, in fact we keep sending more troops and we also do end up torturing the shit out of some of their POWs." Would you believe me? If I went back in time to describe the patriot act before it rolled right through before anyone even knew what happened, would you believe me? Yea, I'm sure the same party of gov antagonist tomato throwers would be open to the possibility.

    In any case, there's no harm in being vigilant and I think it's pretty fucking disgusting when people get castigated for questioning the government and keeping an eye on things. Is it hurting you? The possibility is there whether you want to believe it or not.
    You completely misunderstand me. Questioning the governing process is great. The whole point of democracy should be that it is only ever one election away from revision. However it cripples itself when people fail to inform themselves and get cought up in baseless fervor, drama and glamor. That's why the US House of Reps usually has an incumbency rate of over %90 yet an approval rating that's usually below 30 percent. People are voting based on talking points and party lines and not informing themselves on issues and actual results.

    Equating voluntary community service programs in which the participant is granted education funding as a sign of coming socialist apocalypse is about as far away from objective reasoning as you can get. Everyone's crying socialism. In fact it's been downright programmed from new 24 hour news profiteering machine that sees decisiveness as a commodity it can bank on. This isn't dialog when your just spewing the Sean Hannity brand of paranoia and paying credence to every hack who claims whoever happens to be in power may be the antichrist. It's a fucking spectacle and Americans we should be embarrassed when we're more captivated by whatever Chuck Norris rants about between signing his Walker Texas Ranger royalty checks. Bush lasted eight years because the spectacle generated by his opposition detracted from any serious credibility they should've had and used to make formal accusations. Do you honestly think a dialog can take place when the best anyone can do is say "hmm. you know who else said 'yes we can' in their campaign? Fucking Hitler, man!" But hell, why wouldn't we get caught up in that shit? The real language that PatriciaS quoted is fucking boring, right?

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    You guys are too sensitive. I never even remotely said Obama was Hitler. In fact I didn't even mention Obama, I mentioned Congress, but whatever.

    I mentioned a great quote from Hitler who, unfathomable or not, was more honest than our modern day politicians in some of the alternative motives that a centralized government has to educate your children. I don't think it's the federal government's role to form a youth corp movement to "educate" the kids of this country. Who will approve the curriculum? Will parent's be involved or even consulted? This is simply more overbearing nanny-state federal interference in the going-on of everyday life.

    I know they're now saying that this will be a voluntary program, but they weren't always saying that and in fact Rahm is on published record stating that he wants to require mandatory service for everyone of age. So you can either sit back and relax and trust these politician crooks (and they're ALL crooks) since its obvious that they only have America's interests at heart and would never ever infringe on a single one of your constitutional self evident rights.... or you can take EVERYTHING THEY SAY with a raised eyebrow. I choose the latter.

    Involuntary "service" (enlistment/draft/conscription) is unconstitutional and even more important, morally wrong. it doesn't matter an ounce how the supreme court "interprets" the constitution to the passing whims of society... the supreme court gave us George Bush which was also unconstitutional.

    Government is empowered by your acquiescence. I'll say it again... FIRE CONGRESS.

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    N D Hill: Socialism never happens over night, many small steps are taken to evolve from one system to another. It's not only this bill that concerns me, but the political and economic climate as I metioned earlier and the part this bill could play, especially if service becomes manditory. There are just too many political, economic and global factors right now which history has taught some of us could lead to the collapse of the free market system in America.

    I have never before seen such faith and hope placed in a leader, especially a leader with no real track record and a leader that has proven nothing. What has Obama done for you so far. Has he made any real proposal to pull out of Iraq (I think it's at suggested 23 months now)? Has he put a stop to wire tapping with no warrant? Has he closed Guantanimo? No. All of these promises he made in his campaign. But you've all forgotten that already, you're all caught up in the AIG bonus scandle while trillions of your tax money is handed over to the corporations that caused this mess. Meanwhile wealth is being consolidated by the larger banks and your tax dollars are being invested off shore. Geithner (treasury secretary) and Bernake (Fed Reserve) want to set up a one world currency and world bank so they can take all of the money from the American populace (which they are doing right before your eyes). Meanwhile Obama curtly denies any potential for a world bank and currency. This economic collapse is manufactured, all you have to do is about a days research to figure that out. Do you even know that the federal reserve is a private entity? They lend money to the government? To you? Do you know they are under no government authority?

    I just saw today Obama speaking about military involvement in Pakistan. Apearantly there's Al Qeida in the mountains and so is Bin Laden. Where next, Iran? They'll already have troops surrounding Iran on all sides. He seems to be moving ahead with all of Bush's policies but repeating the words "yes we can" and "change". My question is yes we can what? Change what? How? I wish I could like him. He speaks well, he's inteligent, but he's leading America down a dangerous trail.

    There's already talk of hyperinflation (as in using wheelbarrows of money to buy bread) and the complete destruction or phasing out of the American currency, and the North American Union, Nationalism in America is more rampant than ever, You have a general populace with complete faith in their saviour from that bad man Bush, and soon you'll have brigades of youth and even seniors doing who knows what as of now. I've even seen mention of compulsory 3 years service. Why this stuff is even on the table in a free country is beyond me.
    What happens when you have a worthless dollar, but lots of tanks and and an extremely nationalistic country? I could keep going, but all of the information is out there.

    It looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, but everyone keeps telling me it's not a duck.

    Here's some Hitler quotes, because I know you guys love them

    "How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think."

    "If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed. "

    "The art of leadership... consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention."

    Another quote:

    "Because if you lived, as I did, several years under Nazi totalitarianism, and then 20 years in communist totalitarianism, you would certainly realize how precious freedom is, and how easy it is to lose your freedom."

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    Despite being a murdering bastard, Hitler knew what he was talking about when it comes to politics. It's "good" to see that modern politicians have such a good teacher.

    It's amusing to see how far people are willing to go to avoid taking responsibility for themselves and the world they live in.

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    Just a reminder that theirs nothing wrong with socialism.

    I'm hoping this depression really weakens capital, and people wake up to its systemic problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeom View Post
    Just a reminder that theirs nothing wrong with socialism.
    Ah yes, bribing your voter base with welfare checks is the epitome of good stewardship.

    I'm hoping this depression really weakens capital, and people wake up to its systemic problems.
    Which systematic problems? The fact that corporate lobbies run their country or that it's their bloody duty to take care of their country?

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    systemic not systematic.

    The part where the many must whor themselves out for the few?

    EDIT:Apparently i can't edit in the full word for whor

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    We should be comparing the teleprompter to Hitler, not the guy who reads it.

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    Can you guys stomp on godwin's law a bit more this thread isn't nearly as ridiculous as it should be yet.

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    Would you prefer we quoted Castro, Mao, Mussolini, Stalin, Lenin, Kim Jong Il?
    Godwin's law is the stupidest shit I've ever seen. Here's my law, I call it the Tomato law.

    The longer any internet discussion becomes, the more likely it becomes that analogies between the topic of discussion and Tomatoes will arrise.

    NO FUCKING SHIT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeom View Post
    The part where the many must whor themselves out for the few?
    Well, it could be worse. You could be whoring yourselves for the many AND the few.

    EDIT: But, truth be told, the only systemic problem is that people don't demand accountability from their elected representatives. Last I checked, we were electing public SERVANTS, not King and Court. Apparently somebody should tell the Kind and Court about that.

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    Just so you know, this isn't dead. Also Patricia, the mandatory bits were removed and have now been moved into a separate bill; HR 1444. The language is very ambiguous.
    (5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.


    (6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.
    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1444/text
    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1444/show
    http://www.infowars.com/mandatory-se...bill-lives-on/

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    Yeah, saw that. People still seem more interested in iphones and wii's than the fact that their civil liberties are being pulled out from underneath them. Honestly, I don't even know what to say to the people that keep ignoring this.

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    Keeping my eyes on updates of this. While I voted for Obama, I'm always watching to see what the president will do while in office. While this can be a symptom of "Chicken Little" with the sky falling down and all, it won't hurt to be wary. If indeed it proves to be an Orwellian nightmare, it'll be something to stand against and quickly before it becomes a behemoth.

    Anything infringing on civil liberties is a big issue. Totalitarian governments aren't built overnight - the most insidious steps are the subtle ones. And while I don't see the US of A heading in that direction, it's always been a big fear of mine. All that I know is that if that eventually happens in my lifetime, I'll rather be an underground rebel than someone succumbing to government pressure.

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    1. Please write your reason for being unable to attend jury duty.

    INFRIGEN ON MAH CIVIL LIBERTYS!11!!1


    ...ya I bet its just like that, you guys are so hardcore.

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