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    well, well…I just got hold of the anatomy book "Der Nakte Mensch" by Gottfried Bammes and I was browsing the forums about the book before…and apparently there is no english version (? correct me if Im wrong, will you?)
    as I am one of the blessed human beings talking&writing both, english and german I though, hey why dont you do something for the community that has (already) done sooo much for you?
    of course, Ill only do that if it wasnt done before and if some pplz want this. I think the books still great without the text, but its really lovely extra information.

    just yell in here, Im willing to serve the community

    have a good one
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    btw. Its a biiiig book(around 400 pages), this would take a while. I cant say how long, Ill try and translate the first chapter…and see if it id possible
    also, Ill leave some stuff, index for ex…etc, ok?
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    I would appreciate it. I have always wondered what the writing was like, the pictures are fantastic. It would be funny if it was the opposite of Loomis, like he's an advocate of guessing proportion and eyeballing perspective. 400 pages filled with insults to the reader and overall defeatism. Good luck, man.
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    I would also like to help if I can. Granted I'm not fluent in German but I need to brush up on it anyway
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    Collywobbles: haha, thanks I can use the luck Ill try. worst case is…not being able to do it……we'll see

    Straight Edge Ryan: ah, thanks man! that would be great. considering your location, you certainly could correct the english version(?) or do you even feel like translating a german text? its not the easiest text Ive ever seen…
    anyway, what we wanna do is translating the main idea of the text, and not a perfect version of the book. Ill start to translate the 1st chapter tomorrow.
    oh,btw, I wont do this at home when I could use the time to draw. Ill do it in school, then I might even learn something there

    overall Id say this will take from 3 weeks to 2 months, really NO idea how this is going to work out…least I can do is try
    youll need a lill patience though

    and input is always welcome
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    bigfooTrooper, thats a generous offer, but i think that:

    a) translating and publishing (making available online) would certainly infringe someones copyrights.

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    b) the writing in the book is realy not a huge loss. there is nothing in it you can't find in Bridgman, Loomis or some of the other great anatomy volumes out there.. golfinger..

    Bammes is alright for his illustrations. those explain what he's trying to say 10times clearer than his ugly words.

    so, save youself the pain.
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    May have already been done, Dover lists this, here's the listing on Amazon...

    http://www.amazon.com/Artists-Guide-...7940074&sr=8-1
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    Quote Originally Posted by EightArms View Post
    May have already been done, Dover lists this, here's the listing on Amazon...

    http://www.amazon.com/Artists-Guide-...7940074&sr=8-1
    I don't know how it compares to Nackte Mensch, but it's quite different from Gestalt des Menschen, it has much fewer pages, consisting of mostly student's drawings. Gestalt has far better illustrations, and basically covers considerable more material. It's worth it based on the pictures alone, you can get supplemental info from other books.
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    Kiera: something like that…"It is not against the human dignity to explain the organisation of the body, the opposite is ture, it is his uniqueness that askes for some principles of designs…"

    a) translating and publishing (making available online) would certainly infringe someones copyrights
    I wasnt thinking about that…at all…lol, that makes it probably impossible cuz I wont…I WONT harm any copyrights!
    unless there are some exceptions for translating, the plan is screwed…
    big apologize! I just wasnt thinking enough, so the link from EightArms is the solution for now…

    sorry again, feeling stupid……maybe I get another chance to "serve the community"……

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    EDIT: well, changing my mind every day…lol
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    ...maybe you could just teach us all German?
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    It is NOT infringing on copyright in the case of EDUCATION. Think Google books or the Gutenberg project...

    That's termed "Fair Use," and does not qualifiy as a Copyright Infringement, so long as it is not done for profit.

    To translate it is NOT the same as simply re-publishing it.

    I'm thrilled, though, to see such ethical considerations, even though they are misplaced in this particular situation...

    Especially since you are not talking the illustrations, merely the text, this is a MORE than appropriate example of "Fair Use" exemption.
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    well well, and we're off again! give me some time though =) lots of time

    ah, happy that I can do something thanks for pointing that out madster
    ok, well Ill read through the book and start translating then. Ill upload a sample when I got the first chapter done, so you can tell me if its readable and useful . also, im not going to copy the img in it, youll need an original version of the text, Ill only say to which img im referring to. how you get the book is not my problem

    and again, im not wasting my time translating I do it in school as mentioned. and im going to take the CAE (Cambridge advanced examinations ) in june, this will be perfect training

    (btw. feel free to re-place your thanks again )
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    I've had a copy of Der Nackte Mensch for years, and will enjoy finally being able to understand some of the explanations.

    More power to the linguists! This will be SO appreciated.
    As far as I'm concerned, you can skip everything up to page 17, where the first illustration of anatomy appears. It seems there was some sort of difference of thought about it, but I can't grasp enough to understand all the Drama, or the outcome...Signorelli had a way with poses, but Leonardo's time studying dead bodies definitely gave him an edge on the technicals...I'm so hoping there is an explanation for Albrecht Durer's body proportions breakdown, although I doubt it. It SO resembles the "8 head" bodys, except it's fat, and has 20 divisions...(Pg 23) Likewise, the joints and gestures on Pg. 28. The book references Hogarth and Loomis further on, so I'm assuming that these earlier works from previous centuries influenced them, as well...

    Gee, once I know what they're really discussing, I might have to break down and seriously attempt to copy the illustrations...That was the intent behind the book in the first place...

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