Page 1 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 LastLast
Results 1 to 13 of 76
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Slovakia
    Posts
    4,191
    Thanks
    5,140
    Thanked 2,053 Times in 1,109 Posts

    Quick Question about France & England

    So, on the topic of healthcare - I've seen the film Sicko, and I'd like to know if everything in the film is true. So if anyone from England or France could answer these questions:

    England:

    1. How do you get your health service? Do you apply for NHS, and then get free insurance, or is there no applications involved? You just enter the hospital. etc? Are there any requirements for NHS, such as employment?

    2. Is there an alternative to NHS, and what all is involved? Where do you go, how much does it cost, etc?

    3. How good's the quality of NHS? What are common complaints?

    4. Under NHS, can you have/choose a family doctor, and what's that like? What's it like scheduling an appointment for checkups and when you're sick? How long's the wait?

    5. Has anything changed in the last couple years?

    France:

    1. Is healthcare free? What's the free/state system called?

    2. Is there a private alternative, and what does it cost?

    3. Is there anything you pay for under the French system?

    4. How good's the quality of treatment?

    5. Has anything changed in the last couple years?

    6. How long do you have to wait to schedule checkups, tests, surgury, etc?

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote


  2. Hide this ad by registering as a member
  3. #2
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Manhattan, NY
    Posts
    737
    Thanks
    347
    Thanked 288 Times in 256 Posts
    I'm not an expert on England and France's health care system, but I can tell you a little bit about what I know of Spain's system (from my own experience living there), which is pretty similar to France's system as well.

    I don't have the knowledge to answer all of your questions without a doubt, so I'll give you the basic idea of how a basic doctor's visit works. But yea, healthcare is free.

    There are no family doctors. When you are sick, you go to this kind of hospital/medical center that has all the doctors there (pediatricians, adult physicians, eye doctors, all that jazz) and you sit in the (very comfortable) waiting room. You will then have a doctor see you within a half hour (usually). The doctors are very friendly and well educated in their field. If necessary, they will schedule follow up appointments to meet at a later date, so you do not have to wait the next time. They will prescribe medication which you can pick up at a local pharmacy, and here's the real kicker... medicine is heavily subsidized, I mean heavily. Medicines that cost upwards of a 100 dollars in the US cost 1.30 euros in England, France, Spain, and other countries around the area with socialized medicine.

    So yea.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  4. #3
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    205
    Thanks
    11
    Thanked 31 Times in 25 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by sebbonaparte View Post
    Medicines that cost upwards of a 100 dollars in the US cost 1.30 euros in England, France, Spain, and other countries around the area with socialized medicine.
    Eh, that's simplifying the issue a whole lot - don't forget that they probably pay a good deal of their tax money to keep it running, so the 1.30 euro price is somewhat misleading - ie, it's not the real cost of the medicine, just the amount you pay upfront. God knows how much more the tax payers pay for it.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  5. #4
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Lakselv, Norway
    Posts
    2,119
    Thanks
    591
    Thanked 1,014 Times in 376 Posts


    In the future, everyone will have 15 minutes of privacy.

    Portfolio
    Sketchblog
    Facebook art page
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  6. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to squidmonk3j For This Useful Post:


  7. #5
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Spain
    Posts
    476
    Thanks
    48
    Thanked 42 Times in 19 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by l33t fl33t View Post
    Eh, that's simplifying the issue a whole lot - don't forget that they probably pay a good deal of their tax money to keep it running, so the 1.30 euro price is somewhat misleading - ie, it's not the real cost of the medicine, just the amount you pay upfront. God knows how much more the tax payers pay for it.
    That's obvious. I know that a lot of my taxes go to pay our medical system, and I think is fair. When my mother got ill, she received an assistance that we could not have paid if our medical system was different.

    You know, you give in order to receive. It's that simple.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  8. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Yiako For This Useful Post:


  9. #6
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    1,260
    Thanks
    48
    Thanked 233 Times in 68 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by l33t fl33t View Post
    God knows how much more the tax payers pay for it.
    and this is bad how? I'd rather pay for mine and someone elses medicine with my taxes then for some other shit noone needs.... not gonna name any examples here becuase that can get ugly. But whats the deal with the social healthcare paranoia I notice all the time?

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  10. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to nicolas For This Useful Post:


  11. #7
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Uk
    Posts
    1,900
    Thanks
    179
    Thanked 295 Times in 190 Posts
    Blog Entries
    6
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  12. #8
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Posts
    205
    Thanks
    11
    Thanked 31 Times in 25 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by nicolas View Post
    and this is bad how? I'd rather pay for mine and someone elses medicine with my taxes then for some other shit noone needs.... not gonna name any examples here becuase that can get ugly. But whats the deal with the social healthcare paranoia I notice all the time?
    I never said it was bad. I merely pointed out that it doesn't really cost €1.30 and that comparing that to the price in the US is not a worthwhile comparison.

    However, I won't deny that I don't like social health-care and while I can't vouch for other people, I base my dislike on the fact that I actually tried it. Though, truth be told, my country is poorer than France, UK or Norway.

    @Rist

    It definitely looks that way, but, like most media that want to hook you on to something, they don't mention how much it costs and who is paying for it. That, IMHO, is a big part of the equation.

    EDIT:

    @Yiako

    Sorry, almost missed your post. It really boils down to what the word "fair" means in your dictionary. In mine, well, let's just say that Monaco or the Caymans aren't all too different from Norway in my book, they just have different clientèle.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  13. #9
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    214
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 72 Times in 21 Posts
    In England you just go to the hospital and get treated.

    Doctors you sign up to a local GP and make an appointment as and when. Though I tend to avoid going at all costs, I just man up ;]
    If I do need to go I can usually get a same day appointment, though I will see any of the doctors in the practice, not a specific GP, unless I'm returning for the same problem, then I will ask for the one I saw last time. You have to pay for your prescription, though should you break a leg or something you will get fixed up for free in the hospital afaik.

    There is private healthcare, BUPA is the largest, private hospitals, nicer rooms, shorter waiting lists etc. No idea on costs, see their website.

    Common complaints re the NHS are waiting lists, there was a bit MRSA hoo hah in the papers, didn't follow it that closely tbh.

    Dental care however isn't included, basic treatments are subsidised, though still not free (unless unemployed but you have to prove it). Even then there are a shortage of NHS dentists and its a right pain to try and find a new one if you have to. Private dentistry costs a bomb. It is common for people to go to thailand for dental treatment.

    As for stuff changing, I can't really say but I doubt it.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  14. #10
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Germany!
    Posts
    2,529
    Thanks
    859
    Thanked 1,847 Times in 636 Posts
    It's about the same in Germany Since 1883, on top of that.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  15. #11
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Gothenburg, Sweden
    Posts
    2,256
    Thanks
    304
    Thanked 525 Times in 365 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by algenpfleger View Post
    It's about the same in Germany Since 1883, on top of that.
    I don't know, there were several times I fell through the insurance-net, ending up without having an insurance. And since it's illegal and thus impossible not to have an insurance (Oh the irony of law!) I always ended up paying in retribution for the dead time while having to jump through loops to get a new one. Germany certainly doesn't set the standard here anymore. Also, you have those obligatory 10€ you have to pay every quarter of the year.

    Yeah Germany does socially provide everyone with medicine and care, but the insurances and "care-conglomerates" are eating up all the benefits, sometimes making people deliberately sicker espescially when it comes to mental illnesses and chronic diseases. That's what drove me out of the business in the first place. And a business it is.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  16. #12
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    The magical Kingdom.... of Fife
    Posts
    4,467
    Thanks
    1,135
    Thanked 1,584 Times in 1,007 Posts
    The NHS is paid for by taxpayers, and thank Heavens for it. Nobody ever says "I know I'm going to have an accident/fall ill on such-and-such a day" or finds a way to put illness or accident off until they can afford it.

    Many NHS hospitals are teaching hospitals and have really good reputations and a huge pool of expertise.

    Grumble's right, though. The NHS covers dental treatment up until you turn 18, then it's subsidised, and there are fewer and fewer NHS dentists around.... even though they're all (private and NHS) trained at NHS dental hospitals.

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  17. #13
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Bristol, UK
    Posts
    1,122
    Thanks
    146
    Thanked 183 Times in 154 Posts
    My mum's a nurse and her bessie mate is one of the tope admin at a big hospital up here.

    It's completely free, Either sign up for a local GP ( like a fmaily or fmailiar doctor) or just drop into a specialised clinic and organise an appointment. Then theres the hospital.

    The downside to this is that all treatments go through a lot of scrutiny about financial viability and all that stuff before there made available to the NHS, so tried and tested often cheaper stuff is available so that everyone can have it.

    If you do want a massive operation that is maybe not 100% proven, or want to skip waiting lists and all that then their is still private clinics run by BUPA and the likes. They cost alot though, their run kinda how i imagine the American health system is, just on a smaller scale maybe?

    A lot of people (mainly old people) complain about the NHS but we really are lucky to have it

    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

Page 1 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 LastLast

Members who have read this thread: 0

There are no members to list at the moment.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
  • 424,149 Artists
  • 3,599,276 Artist Posts
  • 32,941 Sketchbooks
  • 54 New Art Jobs
Art Workshop Discount Inside
Register

Developed Actively by vBSocial.com
SpringOfSea's Sketchbook