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    Quote Originally Posted by tobbA View Post
    Seriously? You're talking about a state full of snipers with itchy fingers waiting on every rooftop. If you live there and look the slightest bit like the president you're out for a rough ride... ;P
    I do hope that's sarcasm that that post is dripping with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobbA View Post
    Seriously? You're talking about a state full of snipers with itchy fingers waiting on every rooftop. If you live there and look the slightest bit like the president you're out for a rough ride... ;P
    Oh, c'mon. His car is safer than the bat-mobile, he's guarded by several secret service agents, marines, and spec-ops retirees. Not to mention he's got the football at arm's length away, and the motorcade is block long black void of armor plating and bullet-proof glass. He's in more personal danger doing interviews than rolling around DC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaztastic View Post
    Better to have and not need, then to need and not have.

    especially when zombies attack...

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    especially when zombies attack...
    DAMN FRICKEN RIGHT!!! Sneaky little bastards those zombies are. you can never be too prepared for Z-day!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobbA View Post
    Well uh.. i was only trying to be funny. Looks like i failed. So uh... yay
    well personally i got confused by your first post saying you would be the loudest one protesting the lift of gun bans, I could only guess that you were being serious through sarcasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyerOrdStar View Post
    How many times do you actually hear about someone using their gun to protect their home? They'll probably get their gun stolen instead.
    http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefe...1_archive.html

    If anyone enters my house without my consent, I will assume they mean to do harm. I will take action to defend my family in the most effective way possible. I will not risk the lives of my children or other loved ones and assume that this/these person(s) would attempt to negotiate the terms of leaving my house peacefully. I will not assume a higher power or some other entity will protect me. They will be warned - then I will use force.

    Additionally I can not think of a more dangerous position than if the only persons allowed to carry weapons worked for the government or military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el coro View Post
    yeah its too dangerous here. im moving to mexico.


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    Chris Rock: "Everybody is talking about gun control. Got to control the guns. Fuck, that, I like guns. If you've got a gun, you don't need to work out! Cause, I ain't working out. I ain't jogging. No, I think we need some bullet control. I think every bullet should cost five thousand dollars. Five thousand dollars for a bullet. Know why? Cos if a bullet cost five thousand dollars, there'd be no more innocent by-standers. That'd be it. Some guy'd be shot you'd be all 'Damn, he must've done something, he's got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass!' And people'd think before they shot someone 'Man I will blow your fucking head off, if I could afford it. I'm gonna get me a second job, start saving up, and you a dead man. You'd better hope I don't get no bullets on lay-away!' And even if you get shot you wouldn't need to go to the emergency room. Whoever shot you'd take their bullet back. 'I believe you got my property?'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaztastic View Post
    People wouldn't be scared of them if they knew the slightest thing about them, I.E how to use them.
    That's what scares me: that people have guns and know how to use them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XanaChama View Post
    I don't read many pro-gun stories either in the media, do you? It's a huge deterrent, and that's best case scenario (which was the case when I lived in TX). If someone was breaking into my home and I had my handgun out the moment they stepped into the room (and I would, it's next to my bed), I think they would think twice before trying anything else. If anything, the gunshots I fire just to get them out of my home would be enough to alert my neighbors to call 911 while I was dealing with it. I'm not a particularly violent person, but I would rather be protected than second guess myself. It is not something you have time to be comfortable with when confronted with a situation like that.
    Dogs make a much better deterrent.. And I speak from experience of having my home not broken into thanks to my roommate's dogs. My neighbor on the other hand was not so lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitabread View Post
    That's what scares me: that people have guns and know how to use them.
    You didn't grow up in a house with guns did you???
    it's people who don't know how to use guns that scare me, you know why, cause their the ones trying the hardest to get them banned!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaztastic View Post
    You didn't grow up in a house with guns did you???
    No, but for the record I shot a rifle when I was 12 or 13.

    it's people who don't know how to use guns that scare me, you know why, cause their the ones trying the hardest to get them banned!!!
    I'm far less afraid of the people without guns than the people with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitabread View Post
    No, but for the record I shot a rifle when I was 12 or 13.
    hehehehe well at least you shot it once right?


    I'm far less afraid of the people without guns than the people with them.
    That's because you don't have a gun or other weapon to defend yourself with.
    I have already stated that I prefer steel blades to guns, I handle them better and basically I think they are more fun, especially combat knives oooo yes combat knives * starts to fantasize about Rambo...military men in training...mmmmm*... ahem anyway I would never vote to have some ones right to bear arms taken from them, criminals are going to get weapons any way they can, hence why they are criminals, it won't be legally so the bans only hurt law abiding citizens! if you really are that worried then vote to have training classes given before you can own a weapon, that way they get trained properly and don't shoot their eye out.

    Heck I think we should put more restrictions on people getting drivers license than on guns, cars are far more dangerous and almost every family has 4. so do what the Germans do charge 2000 dollars and 6 mo of training before you can get a drivers license *note I mean this only for cars thank you very much* Do you realize how many people die from car accidents each year? it far out weighs any deaths caused by guns in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaztastic View Post
    That's because you don't have a gun or other weapon to defend yourself with.
    Honestly, I'm being a bit facetious about the whole "scared" thing. Truth is, I live somewhere very safe. The average murder rate in my city is about a third compared to the US national average.

    I have never felt the "need" to own a weapon for protection in my life (all 30 years of it so far). Quite frankly, the very concept of that is mystifying to me. It says something quite strongly to me about American culture. Or at least a subset of it.

    Besides, who says I don't have a weapon? Like every Canadian worth their salt, I have an attack beaver. So there.

    Do you realize how many people die from car accidents each year? it far out weighs any deaths caused by guns in the US.
    That's a spurious claim.

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    Besides, who says I don't have a weapon? Like every Canadian worth their salt, I have an attack beaver. So there.
    Damn I want one too... Guess I need to move to Canada now.
    That's a spurious claim.
    Look up the number of deaths from car accidents in any of the major US cities, they will be larger than deaths by guns. Heck in KY our two largest killers are heart disease and car accidents. So no it's not spurious, it's factual. I am not statistician so I won't even go there, less I make myself more of an ass than needed

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaztastic View Post
    Look up the number of deaths from car accidents in any of the major US cities, they will be larger than deaths by guns. Heck in KY our two largest killers are heart disease and car accidents. So no it's not spurious, it's factual. I am not statistician so I won't even go there, less I make myself more of an ass than needed
    Difference being that cars are actually good for something? (Though, I guess we'd do better without them. Like you say. Lots of people die in car crashes and the ozon layer is packing its bags to leave at the moment...)

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    exactly! either way it's retarded to get rid of something that people use, or can use when necessary.
    and guns are good for hunting, squirrels are to fast and small to try and Rambo their fury little asses

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    HA i get your humor this time tobbA

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    to be honest, being canadian, i never understood this issue. But then again, we never had a clause in our constitution saying we could own them. It's assumed to be a privilege, rather than a right. We still have gun crime, sure, but our statistics compared to the state by population are ridiculously low. Toronto, where i live, is often toted by the canadian media as being a dangerous place due to gun crime, except that it actually came up as number 22 on dangerous cities in canada by population... well after Regina.


    There's really no reason to own a hand gun except to shoot people with, and all of our illegal/unregistered weapons come from the states, so i just WISH you guys would ban them already so they stop getting smuggled up here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaztastic View Post
    Look up the number of deaths from car accidents in any of the major US cities, they will be larger than deaths by guns. Heck in KY our two largest killers are heart disease and car accidents. So no it's not spurious, it's factual. I am not statistician so I won't even go there, less I make myself more of an ass than needed
    Oops, poor use of words on my part. Perhaps "irrelevant" would have been better.

    I mean, really, there are so many things wrong with comparing car deaths and gun deaths, do I really have to start listing them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by daestwen View Post
    to be honest, being canadian, i never understood this issue. But then again, we never had a clause in our constitution saying we could own them.
    Of course, we also never had a violent revolution nor a civil war. Hmmm...

    But on the subject of Canada, one thing which cheeses me off are our ridiculous gun laws. For example, non-dangerous replica firearms are illegal. Completely outlawed. Yet people can still buy real guns or even BB guns that look like guns. Bizarre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitabread View Post
    Of course, we also never had a violent revolution nor a civil war. Hmmm...

    But on the subject of Canada, one thing which cheeses me off are our ridiculous gun laws. For example, non-dangerous replica firearms are illegal. Completely outlawed. Yet people can still buy real guns or even BB guns that look like guns. Bizarre.
    Its so some kid with a water gun doesn't get hurt.

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    Guns i understand. It's the knife fetishes that i think are bonkers. Not only is a knife an ineffective way to stop someone it's also a very effective way to get yourself a felony. You're much better off with pepperspray, you can completely incapacitate someone and walk away, and even if you discharge it on someone by accident that's still only a misdemeanor. If you stab someone with a knife they can still kick your ass UNLESS YOU KILL THEM. If you stab someone with a knife on accident that's a felony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyerOrdStar View Post
    How many times do you actually hear about someone using their gun to protect their home? They'll probably get their gun stolen instead.
    Usually when a "poor, defenseless" piece of shit illegally enters into some dastardly, gun-toting, citizens home and the owner chooses to protect themselves and their loved ones. If the bastard survives, it proceeds to a court case and the home owner is castigated nationally as some violent red-neck. That's usually when you hear about people defending their homes.

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    There's really no reason to own a hand gun except to shoot people with, and all of our illegal/unregistered weapons come from the states, so i just WISH you guys would ban them already so they stop getting smuggled up here.
    Sure, yeah. Totally. It's not like people still bomb buildings or rape innocent women walking down the street. After all; It's illegal and obvious everyone follows the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XanaChama View Post
    GhostValkyrie, I find it all extremely ironic that you're talking about all this while living in Japan. My friend from Osaka went shooting with us when he came to visit last year. He seemed interested and we thought it would be kind of cool for him since there's no way that'd fly back home.
    I find it ironic it ironic the MSM went berserk when some bozo went nuts in Tokyo - stabbing several people and then killing himself, but was completely quiet when a man somehow obtained a shotgun and killed several people at the the public swimming pool that my wife frequents with my son in Dec. 2007. Luckily; my wife and child were not there when this happened. Imagine if someone could have been able to defend themselves, or the others there, and unload on that man before he murdered one of my friends. A pre-school teacher who absolutely loved giving to others, especially innocent children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostValkyrie View Post
    It's apparent that only societies where law abiding citizens retain the rights to bear arms have a problem with violence at the hands of fire arms.
    Interesting reversal of position...I think your brain subconsciously disagrees with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oden View Post
    Interesting reversal of position...I think your brain subconsciously disagrees with you.
    Sarcasm, my dear friend. Sarcasm.

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