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    Beware-of-Artist; Brion Frantz

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    I really like these

    Can't wait to see your progress.

    Work darn you, WORK! *cracks artistic whip*!

    My sketches: http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...d.php?t=148856
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    Thanks for visiting my SB bro.
    In the moon goddess piece you made in post #3 The girl looks like shes falling down... Im not sure but it looks a bit slant-ty... if you know what i mean.
    I like your cartoon style! And its good that ur trying out different styles

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    very cool works

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    I think that sometimes sacrificing sharpness for better composition would've resulted in a more powerful image

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    Quite an interesting composition, your last work. It is a traditional too.
    I think a bit more work on the colour scheme would really help the mood.

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    This is great. I love how you can draw in actual mediums AND digital, not to mention very well.

    The only thing that kinda weirds me out is the second post. In that one point perspective drawing, I feel like the devil's face on the left side of the image should be in three quarters view?

    ^^^ oh wait nevermind, I'm thinking of a two point drawing. Sorry!!

    Anyways, great work! Especially the last piece you posted.

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    your last two covers... I'm getting some kind of disconnect with the art work. It's a bit inconsistent. The paintings you did of the women on the different covers look like photographs with some kind of filter on them. Also, the first "Star Bright" image... the building in the background looks blantaly photoshopped in.

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    Well, I certainly wasn't accusing you of anything. You seemed to have gotten really defensive about that, so I apologize if you may have interpreted it that way. Also, not sure why you think I am AAU, I've never attended that place.

    I'd like to hear what other people think. Some elements in your art work look photorealistic, and others look crudely drawn. Then you mix them together and whole effect looks... odd. That's what I mean when I say "disconnect."

    Again, you know, just my opinion. Not making any insinuations, just stating that there's a discrepency between various elements in your work and that you tie them together into a single piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowDaddie View Post
    I'd like to hear what other people think. Some elements in your art work look photorealistic, and others look crudely drawn... That's what I mean when I say "disconnect."... there's a discrepency between various elements in your work and that you tie them together into a single piece.
    I agree.

    "You may not remember those. Also, If you haven't spent any time studying art history or traditional art techniques, you may not be aware that realistic painting methods have been around since the late 1400's."

    If you really are an art teacher Im suprised at your response. Im not claiming to teach art but the worrk here sometimes mixes photoreal painting with various other elements of that are obviously drawn without reference, which do not gel well as a whole image. Thats the feedback. Theres no need to be pissy

    "Please feel free to ask me how I do something. Anything."

    How do you design your compositions?

    I like the piece with the fire between the two large stone heads

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brion Frantz View Post
    First, let me say thank you for your comment.
    I'm not sure how terms like "gels well" or "disconnect" represent specific parameters that, as an artist I can work on in a direct, goal based manner, like, control of medium, or color harmony, so it's necessary for me to try to divine more from the comment.
    Youre welcome. Sorry I thought you were being pedantic. Again I stress anything I say is just my opinion. You answered your own question here: specific parameters I would suggest focusing on are colour harmony (ie the colours and form language of the different subimages that make up each larger image) and control of medium (maintaining consistent contrast, shadow blacks, line width, painting style, focal point, dynamic view point, global dynamic composition... comic guys can help more with this and anatomy and dynamic poses/ kinematics).
    This image is an example

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    The purple building upper right is very different in treatment, colour, lighting and architectural style from the Alhambra type moorish palace middle left. The windows are crude yellow blobs on one and finely shaded detail on the other
    The bright red and yellow toy soldier goes ok with the girl, but jangles against the sunlit stone and dull green skin tones of the assassins and wizard guys fighting bottom left. They have limbs cropped off and stuff. Again comic guys will be able to elaborate here theyre geniuses at this kind of thing.
    Overall the three elements, fairy girl, toy soldier, wizard ninjas, have no obvious narrative linking them, and are isolated on the page and by the differences in the style theyre drawn in. There is also no overall dynamic in the composition, it appears to be random images clustered together on the page. Thats what Slowdaddy was talking about feeling disconnected I think.
    Heres an example of what I think an image with these issues fixed loooks like, ie awesome. Hope that all make sense im pretty sure it does but call me on anything confusing. and hey, you can paint way better than me! good luck!

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    "you have to admit that the cameos of Kenobi and Grand Moff Tarkin are quite jarring in their lighting and color temperature"

    ha they are arent they! like little coins. ok bad example maybe! although I quite like them actually.
    But thats the sort of thing that draws the eye away from the good things in your posters.
    being detail focused or 'pedantic' is par for people who like to spend hours alone drawing littled detailed pictures i guess, im the same, aspergers as hell.

    "Yet in my piece, there are content reasons as well for the difference between the styles in the buildings."
    Fair enough. Tighten up the detail and texture then I guess.

    "Upon review, I'm led to believe though, that the initial comments were less about the formalistic qualities, and rather more about what someone's personal feelings were, about the perceived difference in what that person thought my methods were, versus what I claim. Which actually did communicate the problem anyway."

    how graciously put! looking forward to see what you do next.,

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    Honestly, artwork should do the talking and not the person. You've had to explain yourself so much that you basically have written a novella. I'm not even trying to be a jerk here but artists can spot photo manipulation right away. The fact you mentioned its not photo manipulation before anyone accused you of it says something. It looks to me you came into this forum expecting one result and you got something completely different.

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    I really hope it's a troll.

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    uh yeah attitude could definitely use an overhaul, but that is a pretty sweet oil painting

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboBobo View Post
    Honestly, artwork should do the talking and not the person. You've had to explain yourself so much that you basically have written a novella. I'm not even trying to be a jerk here but artists can spot photo manipulation right away. The fact you mentioned its not photo manipulation before anyone accused you of it says something. It looks to me you came into this forum expecting one result and you got something completely different.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brion Frantz View Post
    For anyone who might be curious about my methods, there are now a number of very lengthy posts of pics of the work from post #15 below, in progress, in something like a very rough sequential order.
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...5&postcount=52
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...5&postcount=53
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...5&postcount=54
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...5&postcount=55
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...5&postcount=56
    http://www.conceptart.org/forums/sho...5&postcount=57
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    The other work on your website is a lot better than this.

    http://www.brion-frantz.daportfolio....llery/329071#7

    id show that more.

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    Brion. I checked your website and your portraits are very good. Definitely show more of them on here

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    These are so good man


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    This is an interesting thread.
    Brion, the argument you made about illustration vs. fine art is moot. If there is anything seperating the two, it's simply that one is meant for reproduction and the other is not. If you truly want to create categories here, it should just be "good art" and "bad art".
    You have some great portraits there. It proves you have a keen eye.
    However, the other work that is more conceptual is not very consistent. Your montages are done in a way that they don't fit. Take the painting of the kid howling at the moon for instance. Every aspect of this piece is painted in completely different ways. The boy doesn't fit with the woman's face, and neither fit with the toy soldier. I don't have too much issue with the composition here, except maybe the toy soldier and chain placement. Infact, this piece would be excellent if the boy and the soldier matched the level of sophistication you executed in the woman's face.
    The Star Bright painting I think needs major reconstructive surgery.

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    Some crits: You have solid drawing skills, as evidenced by what other people have posted in this thread, but the colors need some work. For example in the first image the colors look muddy. It's strange to say that an image dominated by pink and purple-ish shades could be muddy, but you've grayed them down a good deal and so there's not enough clean focus. But then the toy soldier looks very saturated, so it clashes.
    Same with the image with the ship. The sky is grayed down, and the figure is of a similar value so he kind of gets lost. You use value to have there be a powerful light in the upper right, but the shadows aren't dramatic enough to contrast against that kind of light.

    In the image of the kid and the moon the colors get really muddy on the kid. You need to circulate some vibrant colors around to draw focus and lead to a crescendo in the image.
    So overall I'd recommend studying the theories of color and light. Drawing skills are solid.

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    Looks pretty good. The piece itself might benefit from some reflect light on the left side, helping to transition it into the value of background.

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    Nice work!
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    Stunning, stellar work.
    A transfiguring experience.
    I've printed all these works out and pinned them up in my studio.

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    I'd suggest making another new thread for any works as the comments from 2010 are far too distracting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebonysmith View Post
    I'd suggest making another new thread for any works as the comments from 2010 are far too distracting...
    I agree, in that I don't feel like the earlier comments really represent what I was trying to achieve.

    I'm unsure how to go about getting a thread deleted, but I can start a new one.

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    Deletions and Renewals

    Starting a new thread.

    I will be deleting as much content as I can reach from this thread starting Jan. 2012, and you'll be able to find most of it in my DA gallery if you're looking.

    I might post one or two older pieces, but pretty much I'm starting with a new version of the last post in here (The Shadow Movie Poster) and going forward.

    Cheers!

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