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    nice nice nice gief more!!

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    Really neat style. gonna subscribe so i can see your updates
    Make sure you post a lot now

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    oma, Wr00m: Thank you, I'll try to scan my stuff as often as I can

    Here are some sketchbook pages

    I think there's something terribly wrong with my faces, but I can't quite figure out what exactly it is. Any help?




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    your sketchbook pages are magnificent!
    plus i really like the watercolors

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    avis the sketches are looking fantastic, i luv the magical playful themes for the characters, the setting kind of reminds me of that sketch u did in the past with the cutie rolling the dice at the casino. Also really like the watercolor paints and glad to see ur having fun with that brush pen, it's ingenious!

    I like the line work a lot more so then the renderings, i think somewhere in between the line work and the rendering, the forms get lost or proportions are a bit off. Particularly in this one, the torso seems a tad long or disconnected, although I really like the rendering on that one.

    Your figurative work is getting better and better, keep up the hardwork!

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    Avis, Think I commented on one of your first topics a few years ago lol... I've not been about on here much, but it's good to see you're more comfortable and still posting art up in here!

    I'm really liking your character sketches, they're playful and full of character. I really don't see anything wrong with your faces, I think your expressions are really very nice and proportionately your figurative work is excellent. Your watercolour work is really nicely done too, loose and delicately approached.
    I love how fun your character work is, though I can't help but see that (especially the last 2) they look a little stiff... Making a free standing character image is difficult to do without making them look overly static, possibly having them doing something (maybe their job or hobby) would be more engaging? A static/stiff pose is always a trouble in character images, but in the first 2 images of the latest set you've really brought in a sense of their own character and some movement, maybe try bringing in that sense of movement with the last couple of characters as well?

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    dude, as always, loving the work you're putting in, and the work you're outputting. keep it up!

    regarding your faces, it not the faces so much as things are out of proportion at times. from this last post, most of the heads that are attached to bodies are quite too small. with the first picture in this last post, i think each girl is about 9 or so heads tall! o_O the legs are waaaaaaaay long, and that brings a lot of things out of proportion. there are some other little things i could say, but the main thing is just head to body proportion. hey, it comes with mileage. as for stiffness stuff, i think it might help to do some individual body system studies of certain body parts in various poses and noticing what effect the different poses have on the surrounding areas. do more muscle studies like you're doing, but begin to look with finer detail and remember what each of them does, and which other parts they affect. when you can put all these different things together, you get a whole human who looks natural.

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    Honestly, your faces are fine physically. There isn't anything wrong with them per se, but they tend to be quite similar. I think it's the lack of expression in most of them; there's no anger, happy, pensive, etc. Take the second sketch you posted for example- the elf doesn't seem to look too bothered by the bird nipping her ear. XD; Perhaps more upturned brows and a slightly downturned mouth would convey the look of surprise/annoyance?

    Expressions aside, I like almost about EVERYTHING in your SB, and I love your CHOW #222 entry. *_* Very inspirational. Your digital pieces and sketches are something for me to strive towards.

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    Nah, I have this stupid feeling that I can only update if I haqve something worthy to show. But I suppose that wont happen a lot, so heres a little of the stuff I did recently that lay beside my scanner :3

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    (Sorry fo poor scan quality, I still need to get my driver installed)

    An the Chow I was working on last week.


    More to come, there are a little figure drawings from life that want to be scanned

    FreezeTheMad: thanks a lot

    Nakadai Shimada: Thanks for the feedback, I'll pay attention to that issue!

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    hey there Currently following your advice and stydying more anatomy

    ilmenhin: thank you! yeah, the expression issue. I remember I already had that problem. Seems to happen to me whenever I pay too much attention to correctness.

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    :-?, the last pic is so classic !

    ... start to learn ...
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    Hi Nele,

    Pretty amazing SB you got going here. Looks quite great all around, keep it up with the nice pencil studies!

    My only crit after looking through the pages is that alot of the girl faces are similar. Not sure if they're meant to or not (maybe you are subconsciously drawing yourself-ish or someone else) or maybe they were from life drawing classes in which case I'm being pretty stupid

    Good stuff!

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    Wow, digging the rendering on the CHOW, but the scarf seems a bit plastic to me.

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    awsome studies i like your characters that you've create

    keep it up

    have fun

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    Okay, huge update, and I didn't even scan half of the stuff I sketched the last weeks. Been very busy drawing and studying!
    I'm learning Anatomy again, I try to do as many studies as I can manage to do... anyways. I reall want to get better

    So here's what I scanned

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    I'm doing a lot of mucha studies recently
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    Some drawings of my husband. (He doesn't like to model for me, but he does it anyway! I really love him )
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    Figure drawings from todays figure drawing classes Had a good time today. I really let myself get intimidated by the teacher too much some sessions ago. I forgot what I'd learned before. That sucked. But it's even better now

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    Welllll... Ah, here's a scribble I did, maybe I'm going to make a painting. I misread a streetsign and got "Bonemarket" so that's what I wanted to draw

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    And now some digital stuff...
    Stupid study
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    and a sargent study.
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    I tried something interesting. After copying the portrait be eyeballing it, I pasted my painting onto the original one and corrected everything. That worked very well, and I learned a lot!

    And here's a portrait I did from imagination after I did that study:
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    phew...

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    Hey Avis!

    You are doing great studies!
    I really like the bonemarket and the girl digital study piece!

    Keep it up and please make the bonemarket be a painting soon

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    Silwynar thank you! I see what I can do. So much to paint, so little time!



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    I suuuuuuuuuuuck! And I'm frustrated...
    I need to practice more D:


    Figure drawings from todays session:
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    And because I suck so much at visualizing 3d shapes I practiced that. But I still suck. my stuff looks like its drawn by a 3 year old
    (The feet studies are copied from Bammes)

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    Any more suggestions on how to improve that?
    I'm so frustrated again, it really sucks

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    (Bargue and imagination)


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    You're doing it right honey, relax xDD

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    great going here! the anatomy studies are looking neat and the overall work in this thread is awesome keep it up

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    Those figure drawings are great, I dig the perspective on them. The color studies are looking swell too, keep them up! By the way, if you reeeeeeaally wanna work on your sense of structure, try sculpting some anatomy. You'll find there's a lot you don't know or don't pick up on by drawing alone. It won't help understanding foreshortening though, but you seem to have that under control.

    Love the color on the chimney sweeper too by the way! It might be too late to say it but I think small ornate fence behind the character should be removed, it gets confusing and doesn't immediately read as behind the character. Sorry for nitpicking though, I know the picture's finished.

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    You've made a lot of progress since I've last been here. Your figures have much more structure to them. The paintings are looking very good too. One thing I've noticed is that sometimes you draw the ears and attachement of the jaw too close to the front of the head making the head look weird so you may want to be more careful in the placement. Keep it up!

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    You guys rock
    Gonna reply later... just wanted to drop that sketch:

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    amazing effort, such an amazing dedication, you're doing awesome AvisNocturna, thumbs up on the chimney sweep, great colors

    and heck no, you don't suck, at all, it's actually really wrong to say that

    keep updating us

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    nice fluid lines. And nice paint studies. keep it up!

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    Hi Nele!
    It's so nice to see that you've not given up! We met very briefly at MADE and when I checked out your SB it was when you'd posted about taking a break from art. I thought about writing at the time, but felt like I was in a similar situation and didn't have anything inspiring to offer. It looks like you've really got your groove back though, and that's definitely inspiring to me.

    Keep up the studies, and definitely keep up with the fun stuff! Your imagination work is really coming along and I really like your multiple character sketches. Challenging stuff!

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    Creusa: If I could, I would D:
    Parseikora: Thanks a bunch!
    Kielbasa: No, nitpicking is fine! You definetly got a point there. About the sculpting: That's what I currently do, I already worked on a pelvis and a scapula. And it helped a lot
    fantasyartist: Thank you! It's great to hear that at least other people see progress in my work. Shows me that I'm on the right track. But I'm a very impatient person.
    DHTenshi: gnahh I'm so impatient, I want to be so much better than I am now, but still.. :/ Well I'll keep studying.
    poetry man: thank you
    Belindi: Hey there! Thanks a lot for the kind words. Well, MADE changed a lot, especially the portfolio reviews. I really had to chew on some of the critiques, and it left me with a lot to think about. I still didn't figure everything out. But I think you know what I mean. Keep on drawing!


    Well here's more stuff...
    I'm really motivated these days. Studying from Bammes a lot and I think I'm getting aq lot more anatomy into my head as I did before. I finally seem to understand some of the 3D forms and drawing figures from imagination gets a little easier. A lot more to work on, though!

    I have another problem: I'm studying so much, I don't get to do finished or coloured, or fun stuff. (Yeah studying is fun, but you get the point )
    The problem is, whenever I sit down the little free time I have I'm thinking so much about what to do next I actually lose a lot of time I could have spent drawing. I hate that. Does anybody have a suggestion? I kind of feel like I have no direction.

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    really quick movie still studies (I try to do these when I get up, but I spend most of the time looking for nice screenshots and then I need to go to catch the train to work :/ )

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    and another start of a bargue drawing. I guess the proportions are off. At least it looks that way :/


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    hücumkedi: thank you

    more Bargue:
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    figure from imagination...
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    hand studies
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    and a face from imagination.
    I have a problem here. All my faces look like... well, I call it hamsterfaces *coughs* I don't know what's exactly wrong with them. Maybe someone can help me out?
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    EDIT: Photostudy. Flashlights suck, they kill form too much :/ Does anyone know a good source for lots of different portraits to study from?
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    I'm going to write my thoughts about the face story in german - because I feel like my english would be not exact enough. Avis and I are both germans, thus german is a convenient language for both of us.

    Erstmal der Link für unterschiedliche Gesichter (hab ich von Muddy Colors Blog, den ich wärmstens empfehlen kann): http://www.thesmokinggun.com/

    Dann mal zum Gesicht: der Hamsterlook ist mir auch schon aufgefallen, aber ich dachte, der gehört einfach zu deinem Stil - sprich ist gewollt.

    Ich hab mal ein Paintover gemacht, nachdem ich einzelne Gesichtsfeatures neu orientiert habe und mir ist folgendes dabei aufgefallen:

    a) Deine Nase haben Tendenz zu lang zu sein und deine Stirn ist tendenziell zu niedrig. Soweit ich weiß hast du Loomis studiert - schau dir die Proportionen dort nochmal an und überprüfe kritisch deine Gesichter aus der Imagination, ob sie die idealen Proportionen aufweisen.

    b) tendentiell sind deine Nasenspitzen sehr groß bzw. knubbelig. Das sieht süß, aber nicht seriös oder erwachsen aus.

    c) die Gesichtskontur macht den Hamsterlook perfekt: quasi-Pausbacken, aber kein Jochbein und auch kaum Kieferknochen - ich spiele hier auf die Konturen der kürzeren Gesichtshälfte an. Sowohl Comic- als auch Fantasyzeichnungen stellen Gesichter tendentiell kantig dar.

    d) deine Augenlider sind so dick wie die geöffneten Augen selbst - das wirkt bei echten Menschen schnell hässlich oder deprimiert, weil unsere Augenlider in der Regel nur dann so stark anschwellen, wenn wir viel weinen. Je hübscher die Menschen, desto schmaler die Augenlider. Das muss nicht immer 100% zutreffen, ist aber tendentiell so (ha... tendentiell scheint irgendwie mein neues Lieblingswort zu sein... sonst benutze ich das nie oO). Außerdem wirken Augen, die nach innen hin schräg nach unten zeigen, eher wie die Augen eines Jägers ("Katzenaugen") oder einer coolen/taffen Person als Augen, die nach außen hin abfallen - das sieht eher etwas träge aus. Insgesamt habe ich deine Augen vertikal gestaucht und horizontal verlängert.

    Ich hoffe, ich konnte dir helfen.
    Melanie

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    Great anatomy and figure studies! Keep on posting pencil pages!

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