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July 9th, 2012 #560
The biggest reason is it takes out the blatant sexism crap. Maybe I could have been ok with it in the first movie. After all the Burton Batman just had Vicki Vale screaming for half the movie.
But the women were such bad cliches, and granted most of the movie is full of that...but the women were extra cliched. The women were utterly worthless unless they were to be saved, star in wet t-shirt kisses, to be flung around comically...and in Spiderman 2...why the fuck didn't Doc Oc's wife just move the fuck out the way? Now we get a shot of her SCREAMING at fucking Glass.
"OH GOD GLASS MY MORTAL ENEMY"
I think if anything people should be ashamed to praise the Raimi movies as the "best thing ever" considering how utterly sexist it is. Go back and watch them and it's just really full of glaring problems. Are the movies fun? Well yeah...but are there characters you can relate? For me it was a hell no. Raimi's movie came just after 9/11 so I believe part of the love and nostalgia is from that.
However, it really was kinda a repeat formula of Batman. Other than seeing Superheroes on the big screen and taking out the weird or ...flamboyant parts of Batman - it was kinda the same movie.
As I said Amazing Spiderman brings nothing new to the table, because of the sheer amount of Superhero movies, and Marvel has shown how to step up the game - Spiderman is an utter disappointment compared to that. However - this is just..average in terms of the scale of the superhero movies.
It's definitely not as bad as Green Lantern or Iron Man 2 (which was...kinda bad though I did like parts of it) it is worse than Nolan Ryan's Batman movies (well...I did have issues with Batman Begins honestly and was a bit irritated with the dragging out ending of Dark Knight), and the Avengers, Thor, Capt America. It has a very weak villain and for whatever bad editing reasons, the scale of "happenings" were rushed or glossed over. Maybe because "oh we've seen this before...but have to retell it"
But I could FINALLY relate to most of the characters. They felt like...well people. The women are treated with respect in my opinion. Aunt May isn't some retirement home lady that gives advice and knits (and the irony is I went back and watched the Raimi movies and slapped my forehead when I saw May knitting...since I was just thinking about old people stereotypes...it actually happened in the movie!). She has a job and works. Aunt May and Uncle Ben actually look like an aunt and uncle, vs Grandparents.
Gwen Stacy is like one of the best things to come out of superhero movies in a while. She's like a 2nd to Black Widow. It was like "THAAAAANK YOU!!!"
The after credits stinger was...worthless, the villain was not well explained and rushed, the editing could be better and yes you will feel like you're re-treading the same plot points of his origin...but at least I can respect this movie despite its problems. I can't say the same for the Raimi ones.
Last edited by Arshes Nei; July 9th, 2012 at 10:17 AM.
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July 9th, 2012 #562
I'd say she's about as smart or smarter than Peter Parker.
She's into science too.
She could also reasonably defend herself. She wasn't there to scream. What she said at the end was a hell of a lot smarter handling than the stupid back and forth with MJ and Parker in Raimi's movies.
I think the Bum's synopsis is hilarious but somewhat accurate.
Like I said this isn't the GREAT of Superhero movies - I get the "rebooted too soon" vibe. I get the "we've seen this before" origin story. I agree that it wasn't as epic as other superhero movies. Those are some failings. It needed better editing decisions. I loved the action though. I think the score could have been better...just seems like "just another movie score"
July 9th, 2012 #563
Setting the Lizard on fire with a aerosol torch sounds like a badass scene. I remember hearing that there's also a scene where Dennis Leary unloads a shotgun on him as well. It's always great when supporting characters do cool stuff as well.
EDIT: Parker seriously puts his name on his camera? Wow.
Last edited by Psychotime; July 9th, 2012 at 03:00 PM.
July 9th, 2012 #564
July 9th, 2012 #565
I must have it wrong, because it does seem that in entertainment the "nerd" is the person who wears glasses and makes good grades. But that makes me ask, what about a character like Screech from Saved by the Bell? He was the nerd of the group, wasn't he? (Never watched that show, just the first thing to come to mind.) Maybe it's just a case of a slang term evolving?
EDIT: Oh wow, there's an actual wikipedia page on that word? Seriously?
But I'm just starting to ramble.
Thought I'd knock some more stuff off my list, and watch another Don Bluth movie. It's been a long while. As I've said before, I have memories of some of the movies, but it's been over 10 years since I've ever bothered with any of them. This time All Dogs Go to Heaven.
Ugh, I felt like quitting after the first 15 minutes. Rock-a-Doodle was certainly bad, but I could still SIT THROUGH that one without a problem and still be entertained because of how hilariously bad it is. The truth is I can't say I care at all about Don Bluth. Yeah, he made a name for himself, but that doesn't mean I have to care about his work.
The set up is freakin WEIRD. A seedy underground gambling ring owned by dogs set in 1939 New Orleans? A kid that can somehow talk to animals so the dogs use her to fix the animal races? Apparently the outcome of all animal races is a joint decision by the racers themselves? A gold watch just sitting there that allows you to negate your death at the price of losing your spot in the afterlife?
I may not have liked NIHM all that much, but I could get behind the premise until the magic crap came into play. This one is just...damn. EVERY plot point or concept in this movie gives me a headache. Even little stuff throws me for a loop, like Carface having RETRACTABLE CLAWS. And blech, Bluth's crew could NOT keep up with Disney in the song department. The songs in this movie feel so shoehorned in and halfassed. Rock-a-Doodle had better songs than this. Yeah, isn't it sad that I constantly compare it to THAT one?
The only thing I found worthwhile was the 2 minutes where Charlie goes to Hell. I wonder if I can find any of the backgrounds from that scene.
And I had this question in the back of my head for a long time (just needed to finally rewatch the movie to confirm it), but wasn't there a better way to portray Charlie's murder and not make it obvious that you weren't allowed to show his corpse flying? We never should have had a front shot of that car soaring off the dock like that if they were gonna have his corpse disappear (the characters apparently saw it fly, but not us). I don't think I'm nitpicking at all.
This sort of thing comes into play again when Carface uses a tommy gun that shoots lasers. No really, they call it a laser. It destroys property, but makes laser sounds and the bullets are a bright flash of light. It was obviously a censorship issue.
I remember reading that due to censorship issues, Bluth went to a different distributor that allowed him to get away with a little more, but clearly the new one still wasn't lenient enough about it. It makes me wonder how much they could have gotten away with if they had free range to do anything under the sun, because I'm pretty sure they would have taken it. Wouldn't have made the movie any better, but regardless. Imagine a kids movie with drug dealers and prostitutes. That are dogs. What kind of drugs would dogs use, anyway?
Speaking of drugs; god damn, that Big-Lipped Alligator. That has to be the weirdest pseudo-filler I've seen in a long time (because all said and done it adds to the plot). I would love to see the back and forth that resulted in that scene.
Guh. I don't like Don Bluth. I can appreciate him, but that's it. I think that's the last one I'll be bothering with.
EDIT: Holy crap, I'm 30 minutes into the pilot of Sherlock and the character's amazing. No idea why I had to see a scene of him whipping a corpse with...whatever they call that thingie, that's a weird way to introduce your genius detective, by making him look deranged. But the writers are on top of their game to write up all of his detections. And the actor has to be really good to be able to recite all that dialogue perfectly. Dude's so fast I had to turn on subtitles in order to keep up with him but it's so worth it.
I found the way phone texts just show up on the screen like that to be jarring (works in comics, but not film), but I got used to it when I realized that it's much more efficient than a shot of the character looking at their phone every single time, and seeing how it takes place in 2010 it makes perfect sense for characters to text each other all the time, regardless of how much I personally refuse to adapt to the technology (I'm weird, if you didn't know by now).
I took too long to give this show a go. It's kinda cool how every episode is 90 minutes long. I like that.
I can point out one problem with the first episode, though. Apparently I wasn't supposed to realize that the killer was a taxi driver until he shows up at Sherlock's apartment, er...why on earth would I think it was a PASSENGER? What kind of sense does that make? The script messed up, there.
Ok, having finished the first episode, the killer was weak, if you ask me. So he's a serial killer who brings people out to random places, puts a gun to their head and makes them play a game of chance, where they take one of two pills. Supposedly only one is deadly. That sounds hokey to me.
So if the alternative is apparently getting shot, didn't it cross any of the victim's minds to realize that it's not in his favor to do that, and it's completely in his favor for you to die from the game instead? The minute something like that happens, the cops can trace the bullet and immediately have something to start from. You die from poisoning yourself by your own hand, he's basically scott free and the only way the police would think someone else was responsible is when they notice a pattern, but even then it still very unlikely he'd ever get caught. If you're gonna die, you might as well take the bullet instead of doing yourself in. It's better for everyone, besides the killer himself. If I had that choice, I'd rather be shot than to have my family think I committed suicide. The lesser of two evils by far.
The gun turns out to be fake, too. But I'll ignore that for the sake of the argument. Heh, imagine if someone didn't do the game and either fought the elderly taxi driver with a brain aneurism or just...ran. Well there were only four victims total, maybe if things went on longer then he'd have the scheme finally backfire on him.
I don't know, I guess you wouldn't think straight under that kind of pressure. It's probably a psychological thing that makes the victims choose the game. Any of them ever ponder if both pills were poison and the killer could fake taking his own pill (we're talking about a serial killer who makes a game out of it, who's to say he doesn't cheat)? I think that it'd have been good to get a flashback or something to really show how the killer did what he did: how he presented the situation to each of his victims and how it would play out.
How does it go? They choose the pill, the killer eats his (or pretends to), cocks the gun and goes "Your turn" after proving that he won the game and ate the "clean" pill by not dying? Why eat it? Just take the bullet! It's gonna be quicker and more painless than poisoning yourself! Your loved ones won't be in pain for the rest of their lives BLAMING THEMSELVES over what the police rule out as a suicide!
And if the order is they choose a pill and take theirs first, the killer himself loves to gloat about how much smarter he is than everyone else, so I seriously doubt he'd pull this sort of dick move. But if we want to assume he went this way, then I doubt I'm the only person who'd go "Fuck this, just shoot me."
You see where I'm getting at? This plan just doesn't work! And I'm convinced they didn't show the killer in the act because they realized they wrote themselves in a corner. They must have been too busy writing up Shelock's awesome deductions.
Did he trap them in the car when he took them to the random spots? I GUESS he can do that? Maybe taxis can do that to make sure someone doesn't run off without paying? I don't know, I've never used a taxi in my life. Buses, yes. Taxis, no.
Last edited by Psychotime; July 10th, 2012 at 01:02 AM.
July 9th, 2012 #566
I thought the Raimi movies were good old stupid fun, like spiderman is supposed to be. It blatantly follows the old timey melodrama formula of "dastardly villain ties damsel to train tracks, don't worry the hero will save her". That formula has worked since THE BEGINNING OF TIME. Sure it's a little sexist, but nothing worse than nearly anything marketed directly towards women.
I'm not going to defend those movies too much, because it's easily Raimi's weakest work. But nothing can live up to Evil Dead 2.
July 10th, 2012 #567
The Chinese Mafia episode of Sherlock was better (as in I have nothing to nitpick), but the novelty from the first episode wore off, so it just felt like I was going through the motions. Ah well. I'll check out more as I go along.
That scene at the beginning with Holmes fighting some crazy dude with a sword who broke into his house felt out of place, though. I GUESS it was supposed to be funny? Not really the kind of humor I expect (or want) when I'm watching a crime show like this. Now if it was in Psyche, it'd be funny. I'm just really picky, I know.
I was expecting Holmes' brother to show up again, and the police captain along with the sergeant and coroner that both hate Holmes' guts. With every episode being 90 minutes, I'd expect them to show up and do stuff each one, even if it's something minor.
EDIT: Hmm. Seems Netflix only has the first season available. That's disappointing. Means I only have one more episode I can watch.
Last edited by Psychotime; July 10th, 2012 at 01:18 AM.
July 10th, 2012 #568
Saw the new Spiderman last night.
Much MUCH better than the 3 before. I think doing the reboot was worth it, specially after...Spiderman 3
If there is a 3D movie were the "in your face", "stuff coming out directly at you from the screen" approach works is obviously Spiderman.
The swinging, the web slinging, skyscrappers and first persons were fun watching in 3D.
Uncle Ben´s death was really touching, also liked Aunt May a lot. Even Stan Lee´s obligatory Cameo was really fun.
July 10th, 2012 #569
That's the one thing I heard about the new Spiderman that the 3D was actually worth it. I had been most disappointing by most live action movies were the 3D was kinda bleh.
I know people who didn't watch it in 3D complained about "1st Person Swinging" this makes much more sense after hearing your review about the 3D (it's one of those where the effect is more present in 3D).
July 10th, 2012 #570
I heard that too about the 3D. I wanna see it in Imax if they have it.
July 10th, 2012 #571
Yeah, we were commenting exactly that after watching it, if we had seen the movie in 2d all those first person scenes would have been a miss. I´m pretty sure i would have said the same thing.
More than just Spiderman in a cool pose shooting web straight at you (My inner kids loved it),the 3d adds a nice feeling of height and vertigo in all those buildingtops scenes. Is not often that i say it, but its worth paying that extra.
July 10th, 2012 #572
I think they're also rebooting Spiderman because well.... ... if I'm not mistaken the Comic was rebooted fairly recently. Within the last year I believe. (Terrible reboot for the comic btw, was right in the middle of the awesome Civil War arc and suddenly "Hey just so such and such doesn't die how about we make it so you never got a relationship with this person". I can grant that wish kinda Bullshit)
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