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    Windows 7. public beta and upgrade service info, last page

    I checked around here (read: scanned the 1st page) and saw no one has talked about windows 7 yet. Today I started the journey of Beta testing this beast and so far I have nothing but praise.

    first off lets start with some rules:
    -this will not turn into a mac vs pc debate, there's already one going around in here, go there to vent. go ahead compare contrast, but I dont wanna see any fanboyistic behavior going around
    -if I hear one "windows is just copying mac" I'm gonna scream. I could go on forever what both companies have been inspired from the other guy. and if your such a mac fan, why hate something that's almost the same? it's like being a blueberry pie fan ragging on a cherry pie that keeps adding more blue food dye.

    anywho lets get down to business

    I have not installed itunes, zune, or any of the creative suites yet, that is soon to come though.

    the new taskbar:
    yeah, its like a dock, you can put on whatever shortcut you want on it and take off the ones you dont. the best part though, is that Developers can now place buttons in the preview windows that pop up when you mouse over a tab on the taskbar, I had a song playing in Windows Media Player and there were fastforward, play/pause, backwards, and mute buttons all in the preview window.

    the new taskbar is a MAJOR improvement. clicking on the wifi button doesnt just tell you that there are wireless networks nearby like vista, it now displays those networks and lets you choose from them, right from the task bar.

    the one problem is I do have to say its a little bigger than vista's, Probably just 6-7 pixels thicker, I'm not used to it yet, but on a 12.1" laptop screen, the real estate is priceless.

    Explorer:
    dragging a window's top bar to the top of the screen full screens it (like hitting the maximize button) pulling it down does the same as restore. shaking the window will minimize all the other windows that are up, and doing it again will reverse it. dragging it to the right, makes it take up the left half of the screen, and the same for the right to the right of the screen. really nice if you want to move things between two windows.

    the side directory isn't labeled like the tree anymore (C: to these folders, to these folders etc.) it's grouped to favorites (most used folders), libraries (like the old user name folder: music, videos, pictures etc) and homegroup* (more on that later), the tree is still there under that, giving you access to the rest of the computer, but it does help to get to where you wanna be quicker.

    Security:
    I haven't installed anything as of yet, most likely gonna go get avg free in a bit but there is alot I can talk about.
    the UAC is revised thank Bog. instead of on (every thing causes a screen dim with a permission box) and off (no security) like vista, there are levels fine between those settings. which is awesome, and less annoying.

    Graphics:
    coming from vista premium into 7 ultimate I have no idea if this is because of the x64 change but I'll say it anyway.
    Before 7, I ran World of warcraft alot. I'm on a HP tx2100cl and I have a Nvidia 6150 goforce graphics chip with 152mb on it. honestly, wow played horribly. youtube videos would even lag. I can now run 2 world of warcrafts fairly well and have (the most I've tested so far) 8 youtube videos running in HD without lag. It's a serious improvement.

    extras:
    the new paint is awesome, opacity and brushes, it's like the annoying little sister of your best friend photoshop that you would bang but she's not old enough, y'know? okay, maybe that was a bad metaphor, but I think you got it. Wordbad, is an improvement, adding office 2007's ribbon (with missing features of course), spellcheck, etc.
    The calculator is awesome, it has a setting where you can put in a distance and gas mileage and it'll tell you how much gas you'll need etc. tips, unit conversions, calender stuff. it's awesome.
    if you've ever used the program juggler, or any others that juggle your wallpaper on intervals then you'll be happy to know that that feature is built in. yes you can selct more than one wallpaper and it will cycle them around on the interval of time of your choice.

    tablet people:
    if you've used vista before with a tablet, you know about the writing area and virtual keyboard. it's been improved, the keys are larger, separated and lightup when the pen is on them, instead of you having to check exactly where the white dot is before you press it. the handwriting recognition is also a leg up. in vista it took a while writing with it for it to get used to me and recognize my style of writing, 7 is doing pretty well so far.

    *homegroup is one thing I would like to give more info on, but I just dont know enough, from my understanding it's basically an easier way to share files/folders between everyone on the network. I'll look more into it.



    There's alot more in windows 7 that I cant just unload everything. But trust me it's a huge improvement from vista, and everything vista is compatible with it so we wont have the same launch issues that have plagued vista with a bad rap it's entire life.

    so CA, anyone else looking forward to/have experiences to share of/questions about/etc. windows 7?

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    It sounds like a definite step up from vista, and I really do hope it does well. Nothing better for any market than competition, shoot you don't even need economics 1A to know that.

    I'm wondering if the security system will be as tight as vista was though? It was a real downer having my own computer attack programs I installed. (Well it is my cousin's computer, but she loves it anyway).

    If I hear enough good things about windows 7 I might even upgrade from XP, vista just wasn't good enough for me to bother with though...

    Just a random thought, I find it interesting to see that both bill gates and steve jobs will have stepped down from their companies... I am hearing the ringing of bells of change already...

    Keep us posted on Windows 7 though, I'm looking forward to hearing good news.

    Also, I really hope that someone comes out with a universal media player with options such as the "Real Alternative + K-lite combo pack," to this day I can play any video format I have encountered on it and it rarely crashes.

    What does the new high color support entail? Will it really make a big difference? And if so, will digital art be able to achieve a higher level of precision because of it?

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    I've heard good things about the Beta, but I don't think I'll take the jump from vista 64 until the final is out. The new task bar sounds pretty awesome!

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    Have you tried any pro programes like PS and painter and if you have do you notice any boons in performance?

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    Thanks for posting, great review on Windows 7, I'm not going to try it out since it's only a beta for now.Windows 7. public beta and upgrade service info, last pageWindows 7. public beta and upgrade service info, last page

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    Christ. They're already releasing another OS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Androxity View Post
    I'm wondering if the security system will be as tight as vista was though? It was a real downer having my own computer attack programs I installed. (Well it is my cousin's computer, but she loves it anyway).

    Just a random thought, I find it interesting to see that both bill gates and steve jobs will have stepped down from their companies... I am hearing the ringing of bells of change already...

    Also, I really hope that someone comes out with a universal media player with options such as the "Real Alternative + K-lite combo pack," to this day I can play any video format I have encountered on it and it rarely crashes.

    What does the new high color support entail? Will it really make a big difference? And if so, will digital art be able to achieve a higher level of precision because of it?

    the UAC is now customizable with 4 settings, ranging from what is vista's "on" setting and it's "off" so you can still have security without having it dim the screen everytime you want to run an .exe like it used to, without having it to turn all the way off.

    Yeah I noticed that, really makes you think what will happen soon, hungh?

    vlc. from what I know it plays absolutely eveything, and if it doesnt, there are guides online on how to. it never crashes, it's the lightest utility you will ever run that does so much for media.

    I have no idea about the high color support... can you give me any info on that? I'll check it out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brashen View Post
    Have you tried any pro programes like PS and painter and if you have do you notice any boons in performance?
    not as of yet, But I hope to sometime today.as you can probably tell by now, I dot get much sleep, so I should have time today to do it. so far, I've been running windows 7 on a new partition and I've been able to run programs from the original partition containing vista no problem, I wont be able to reinstall seeing as I don't have anymore license codes for the suite or painter yet.

    Love to hear that you all are interested in this, when I started I thought all my typing would be in vain. I'll keep you all posted on anything cool I run across!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Pink View Post
    the new paint is awesome, opacity and brushes, it's like the annoying little sister of your best friend photoshop that you would bang but she's not old enough, y'know?

    That's it, I'm sold!

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    Seems like they're starting the hype machine extra early this time.

    It looks like a build upon windows Vista, but severely stripped down.
    XP still works fine.
    It will require us to buy a touchscreen.
    People will be pinching pennies by the time it comes out and companies probably even more.
    And more importantly, XP still works fine.

    So there is no incentive to buy the new OS, people won't have the cash to buy the new OS(especially since it probably comes with dx10, same commit charge as vista. Forcing people to get a new screen AND a new pc.)
    And to get the entire OS to run smoothly on an affordable pc, they'll probably have to turn off a lot of eye candy, making xp still a better choice.

    They should have waited longer and let vista die properly first. It's only been 3 years.

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    windows 7 has been known about for ages, they have pushed it forward due to the bad reception of vista

    for the record I had to rebuild my computer last week due to motherboard death and I installed tinyxp on it ;o

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyskoa View Post
    Seems like they're starting the hype machine extra early this time.

    It looks like a build upon windows Vista, but severely stripped down.
    XP still works fine.
    It will require us to buy a touchscreen.
    People will be pinching pennies by the time it comes out and companies probably even more.
    And more importantly, XP still works fine.

    So there is no incentive to buy the new OS, people won't have the cash to buy the new OS(especially since it probably comes with dx10, same commit charge as vista. Forcing people to get a new screen AND a new pc.)
    And to get the entire OS to run smoothly on an affordable pc, they'll probably have to turn off a lot of eye candy, making xp still a better choice.

    They should have waited longer and let vista die properly first. It's only been 3 years.
    it will in no way require you to buy a touchscreen... where the hell did you hear that?

    that reminds me though, apparently they are adding multitouch support for touch screens and the synaptics touch pad drivers on almost every laptop will support it to.

    "People will be pinching pennies by the time it comes out and companies probably even more."
    what? yeah, if you want something you'd probably save up for it, I wanted a new laptop so I started pinching my pennies, but it's a new OS. if you want it, sure save up the dough, but it's not something you HAVE TO upgrade the day it comes out... I just don't see your logic.

    new screen? new PC? nooo... your monitor has nothing to do with the operating system... like the "vista certified" sticker you see slapped on screens? it doesnt matter, I have an old 7.5" CRT monitor from a windows 97 machine and it works fine on my vista computer. s far as a new pc goes, the only thing that dx10 will affect is the graphics card, like all other dx releases. any graphics card that can run vista's dx9 will be able to run dx10, it's a simple driver update lol.

    I wish I had some sort of benchmark tool to show you the difference. windows 7 uses less resources than vista. honestly I want to go install it on a windows me machine I still have. it would probably work very well with a graphics card from the XP era.

    according to the average knuckle-head consumer, vista's been dead since launch.

    remember: windows 7 is to vista like 98 was to 97. everything will be forwards compatible because it's all the same engine. vista's drivers will work on 7 etc. people seem to forget that when we went from the yearly releases to ME/2000/XP, all the drivers weren't forwards compatible. when we jumped from that era to vista the same thing happened again, but every brother and his mother has a blog that can publish their bitching to the world. that wont happen this time because all vista drivers and programs will work on 7. and if they dont, it's an easy fix.

    Change is imminent, it always is with technology, and if you're just gonna to complain about that, this really isn't the place. I respect your criticism, but please check your facts first and don't just rag on it, express them so that we can discuss them.

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    oh, I also forgot to mention, but as far as PS goes, I have not been able to use it in windows 7, I tried running it from the vista partition like I'm doing with my other programs but it says that there is a licensing problem.

    looks like I'll have to go out and buy a license, it's a good excuse to finally get CS4 anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Pink View Post
    oh, I also forgot to mention, but as far as PS goes, I have not been able to use it in windows 7, I tried running it from the vista partition like I'm doing with my other programs but it says that there is a licensing problem.

    looks like I'll have to go out and buy a license, it's a good excuse to finally get CS4 anyway.
    If you're saying you don't own Photoshop you'll be interested to know that software piracy is a bannable offence around here.

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