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    Nude models protest in Paris

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...models-protest

    From Rodin and Courbet's naked muses and lovers to Degas's clinical study of the female form, the nude has always taken pride of place in French art.

    But Paris is now being accused of showing such philistine ingratitude to its life models that scores went on strike yesterday, taking to the streets to pose naked in freezing temperatures to shame the state.


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    It's not my body the artists are trying to capture, but the essence of human nature, existence and all the mystery that goes with it.
    Uhm... I might've missed something.

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    Alright, I don't want to imply any male chauvanist leanings at all, and I think any worker deserves fair compensation, job safety, security, and health insurance.

    Having said that, I always felt that strikes were meant to be a punishment, and having a nation's models walk nude in the streets sounds more like a great photo op than anything else. I mean, all those artists can go to their window and still draw - for free. I suppose it does shame the govt... I suppose. I imagine a great many politicians in France are now joking about upsetting those models more often.

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    A good model deserves good pay. It's that simple.

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    ahhh you gotta love Paris.

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    Having said that, I always felt that strikes were meant to be a punishment, and having a nation's models walk nude in the streets sounds more like a great photo op than anything else. I mean, all those artists can go to their window and still draw - for free. I suppose it does shame the govt... I suppose. I imagine a great many politicians in France are now joking about upsetting those models more often.
    I think they're not doing this so much as punishment as to get people to take notice of their grievance. If there's one thing that mass public nudity (especially during the winter months) is sure to get, it's media attention.

    But on a tangent to your comment, one of my first thoughts reading the story was "hmm... I guess it would be poor form if you happened by this to stop and sketch..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavePalumbo View Post
    "hmm... I guess it would be poor form if you happened by this to stop and sketch..."
    From the article (bolding added):
    The disrespect shown to the models was "proof that something is badly wrong with French society", shouted one shivering male model through a megaphone. Artists, students and art teachers sat sketching them in support.



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    The best model I’ve drawn this year was French and a dancer. She studied poses and carried a book of what was possible in various time frames. Good models are to be applauded. Bully for them.

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    Wouldnt it be more of a protest if they kept their clothes on???

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    Wouldnt Spencer Tunick's photographs be more interesting if all those people in them kept their clothes on???

    Nudity has a very unique way of catching everyone's attention.

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    Too bad I'm not in Paris right now.

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    In France (yesterday)
    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/wor...de.protest.cnn


    In Italy (about a year ago)
    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/liv...ude.models.cnn


    Good for them.

    If anyone deserves to get paid a little extra its the nude model. Whatever they're asking for, I'm sure its still a lot less money than hiring a prostitute, and a lot less effort than convincing friends, lovers, or strangers to get naked for you. We should be stoked that 'nude model' is a respectable profession now, and that there are enough of them to hold national strikes. Is there anything we can do as an international organization of artists to lend more support to their cause?

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    Maybe it will be more common here with enough attention from Europe.

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    Fuck the French pols behind this.

    Fuck the attitude that modeling is something "dirty" or menial.

    Fuck anyone who denigrates or mistreats a model.

    Without them, we would not exist, no matter what alternatives are presented.






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    This would make a good painting. "The March of the Nudes"....hmmm

    Oh, and 007 used to model nude? cool.

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    been naked in a public street is far different from being naked in a studio. The people in the studio PAY to see the models body, while in public the model is showing indecency and disrespect to all who see them in the street; not everyone is comfortable with seeing a naked group of unknown people, especially if the person looking at them is a child.

    These people should be shot for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rist View Post
    These people should be shot for this.
    QFWTF??

    Nude models are the reason I became an artist.

    I hire life models a few times a week (when I run life drawing and painting classes), and I always feel guilty that I'm not paying them enough, even though they are quite happy with the pay - it's not an easy job, and it's invaluable to me and other art students like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rist View Post
    These people should be shot for this.
    ....Word?

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    Perhaps they should find a way of legalizing the cornet rather than simply abolishing it....here in the U.S tips are taxable income...though it's up to the individual to report how much they earn. I personally think they should simply make an exception for Life models.

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    I wish them well - that's just lame.

    In most European countries the gratuity is added to the cheque...

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    Artists, students and art teachers sat sketching them in support.
    i confess i laughed my ass off when i read this but i fully support their cause.
    rist- are you fucking stupid? i wanna see you have a go at lifedrawing without models. the whole point of the nude strike is to make people uncomfortable,to catch attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rist View Post
    I should be shot for this.
    Fixed.


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    From the article (bolding added):
    oh hey, how'd I miss that? Well that's cool then, but I hope they left tips

    especially if the person looking at them is a child.

    These people should be shot for this.
    people, children and adults, are taught to be shameful about nudity. There's nothing sexual, aggressive, or offensive about just not having clothes on, which is all these people are doing. But you're right, violence is probably the best solution...

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    You people are nuts, would you please think of the children? If they are exposed to nudity like this they might grow up to like boobs. I'll be damned if I live in a world where children grow up to have normal feelings towards the opposite sex. Not to mention that girls might start to feel more comfortable about their bodies after seeing how much respect a group nude women are getting. Women with confidence? I don't think so.

    Also just thing about what kind of world it would be if people were comfortable with nudity. Nudity is not natural, if God wanted us to be nude he wouldn't have invented clothes.

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    In the article its said the models in France normally get paid 10 euros an hour, i talked to one of the models for my class once and they said they get paid $17 an hour here in the states. That's still less isn't it? Also I don't recall ever doing the 'cornet' thing for a model, we've never given them tips in any of my classes, just applause. Is it just as bad for them in the States as it is in France? I hope not.

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    I was kind of kidding about the keeping the clothes on guys i totaly get the reason they were protesting naked.
    That does seem pretty low though to pay a modle 17$s an hour i thought they were supposed to be very expensive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilaekae View Post
    Fuck the French pols behind this.

    Fuck the attitude that modeling is something "dirty" or menial.

    Fuck anyone who denigrates or mistreats a model.

    Without them, we would not exist, no matter what alternatives are presented.
    Actually, this problem doesn't come from french people thinking models are dirty. It comes from the fact that the government hires loads of models because Paris is filled with art classes and many are government paid. However the pay sucks (little over minimum wage) and the models used to receive a tip at the end of the class. Since that tip was not taxed (we're talking a heavily taxed socialist country here) the government banned the practice of tipping models. So now they want better pay to compensate. I read in another article that models at Gobelins (a private school) are paid 21 euros an hour which is considered acceptable.

    Quote Originally Posted by eskanto View Post
    In the article its said the models in France normally get paid 10 euros an hour, i talked to one of the models for my class once and they said they get paid $17 an hour here in the states. That's still less isn't it? Also I don't recall ever doing the 'cornet' thing for a model, we've never given them tips in any of my classes, just applause. Is it just as bad for them in the States as it is in France? I hope not.
    I don't know about the US but here the models are often paid from 15 to 20$ an hour, however, I have yet to meet a model who does that as a primary source of income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rist View Post
    ...not everyone is comfortable with seeing a naked group of unknown people, especially if the person looking at them is a child.

    These people should be shot for this.
    Particularly they should be shot while naked, in public, and in front of your child. Then it'd be kosher. Right?

    Sorry, but nobody has to accomodate anyone's antiquated Victorian sensibilities or those forceed upon a kid. Especially in that nation, nor mine, nor yours.

    Anyways...

    Good for them. Far as I'm concerned a nude model should make at least as much as a stripper, it's not only harder work but it might also encourage strippers to move to a job where they get to maintain their dignity.

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    You would think that people walking by could help protest by giving them a tip. I bet they'd earn a lot more money.

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