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    Smile Painting Sikh History: Baba Deep Singh

    Hey everyone! I am working on a painting based on Sikh history. Its depicting Baba Deep Singh in war with the Afghan army in an attempt to defend the Golden Temple. More background information can be found on wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh
    Being very inexperienced in painting war scenes. I grabbed the banner from :http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/char.../barbarian.xml, and started to work with it. This is what I have so far.
    (He is supposed to be holding a straight sword in his hand, along with the guy on the horse.)
    So.. critique away!
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    I think it is looking pretty good so far.

    It would be easier to crit if you roughed in the rest of the piece (sketchy). Pay attention to your hands... it feels like the guy in the middle only has 3 fingers holding on to that sword and the hand to the far right feels messed up too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bai Fan View Post
    I think it is looking pretty good so far.

    It would be easier to crit if you roughed in the rest of the piece (sketchy). Pay attention to your hands... it feels like the guy in the middle only has 3 fingers holding on to that sword and the hand to the far right feels messed up too.
    Ok I will do that, and I think in general, I should practice drawing hands.

    Ok will put up one with more completed piece including missing objects, as I get time from school. ( I am not a full time painter) Don't mind if I don't reply to your posts right away, but keep an eye out as I will be back with updates on what I have done based on the crits.

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    No worries... I think I should add that one thing that I do like about this piece is what looks like a swirling vortex in the background leading our eyes to where the sword will go.

    This feels like the best composition out of the pieces that you have posted... although I am not sure about the placement of the character in the upper right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bai Fan View Post
    No worries... I think I should add that one thing that I do like about this piece is what looks like a swirling vortex in the background leading our eyes to where the sword will go.

    This feels like the best composition out of the pieces that you have posted... although I am not sure about the placement of the character in the upper right.
    I deserve no credit for the composition, it is not mine.

    And i am actually trying to get rid of the swirly thing by adding a normal sky that mimics the effect. But then I might forget realism for a minute and keep it! You should read my first posts lol, these are supposed to be portraying Sikh history.

    About the character in the upper right: Originallly what I had was-
    Painting Sikh History: Baba Deep Singh
    then another artist suggested that I enlarge Baba Deep Singh by about 25%, and take out the soldier on the far left, as he clutters the painting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prince911 View Post
    I deserve no credit for the composition, it is not mine.

    And i am actually trying to get rid of the swirly thing by adding a normal sky that mimics the effect. But then I might forget realism for a minute and keep it! You should read my first posts lol, these are supposed to be portraying Sikh history.

    About the character in the upper right: Originallly what I had was-
    Painting Sikh History: Baba Deep Singh
    then another artist suggested that I enlarge Baba Deep Singh by about 25%, and take out the soldier on the far left, as he clutters the painting.
    I like this one better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bai Fan View Post
    I like this one better.
    I think the one I have now portrays the strong character of Deep Singh but it pushes that soldier to the right and out of the painting.

    This is what the artist said about the one you liked better.
    "I like the composition on this one...one recommendation, make Baba Deep singh and the mughal he's ligting about 25% bigger, but push them further to the right so that Baba Deep occupies the same space, you'll loose a bit of the Mughal but that's o.k. Right now it's too balanced. Also consider getting rid of the Mughal on extreme left, he's cluttering up that side. "

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    Man oh man I can't wait for Diablo 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bai Fan View Post
    Man oh man I can't wait for Diablo 3
    haha, neither can i!

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    I thought he helped add to the triangular shape of the side over there. Without him, the heads on that side kindof form a line.

    Ok,
    dinner.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bai Fan View Post
    I thought he helped add to the triangular shape of the side over there. Without him, the heads on that side kindof form a line.

    Ok,
    dinner.

    lol same!!

    Ok I am thinking about adding back the soldier on the far left, you picked on the triangle thing, and I thought there was something missing there (still do).
    but the soldier to the far right doesn't bug me. Why? He's gona be dead soon, anyway!

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    Smile

    I had a quick look....I think the trouble with the hand on the far right is that its the wrong one / a right hand couldn't be where that one is....but it's an easy fix !......just switch it and make it a left arm / draw the BACK of the hand instead....and then the intersecting arm of the hero ought to be behind it.....THEN those two will fit each other

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidfrog View Post
    I had a quick look....I think the trouble with the hand on the far right is that its the wrong one / a right hand couldn't be where that one is....but it's an easy fix !......just switch it and make it a left arm / draw the BACK of the hand instead....and then the intersecting arm of the hero ought to be behind it.....THEN those two will fit each other
    Confusing... but I think what you're trying to say is what I have is the left hand?
    No that's not the case here. His right arm is supposed to be behind Deep Singh's arm since Deep Singh is sort of blocking his attack, if you don't see that then help me correct the sequence.

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    I think it will read better once you further resolve the highlights in the clothing. You really need to readdress the anatomy of your hands though.

    Practice hands more!



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    you could use either left or right.....but the blocking arm is kind of chubby and bent funny at the elbow / with the blocking arm more or less straightened and the hand hiding behind the neck it's a bit awkward .

    That's why I was suggesting it might work with the same basic composition if the arm of the guy on far right is switched to a foreground left arm in the same position though / just changing the hand itself to a back view. The central dude wouldnt be blocking an attack then true....but it would make the whole thing slightly more dynamic without changing too much .


    your detail work looks awesome but if you don't get the structures good to start with you'll literally paint yourself into a corner .

    Keep at it...it's a good one !....just needs a wee bit .

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    I also think it is time you were working with some of your own compositions. I think you are to the point where you can ramble through a painting pretty well, just work on the preproduction part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bai Fan View Post
    I also think it is time you were working with some of your own compositions. I think you are to the point where you can ramble through a painting pretty well, just work on the preproduction part.
    I've started already. After I finish these, I'll be asking for critiques on those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidfrog View Post
    you could use either left or right.....but the blocking arm is kind of chubby and bent funny at the elbow / with the blocking arm more or less straightened and the hand hiding behind the neck it's a bit awkward .

    That's why I was suggesting it might work with the same basic composition if the arm of the guy on far right is switched to a foreground left arm in the same position though / just changing the hand itself to a back view. The central dude wouldnt be blocking an attack then true....but it would make the whole thing slightly more dynamic without changing too much .


    your detail work looks awesome but if you don't get the structures good to start with you'll literally paint yourself into a corner .

    Keep at it...it's a good one !....just needs a wee bit .
    I'll definitely try it out. Keep an eye out for the update.

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    Im almost done this painting in greyscale, here's the update. Will be putting up the colour version soon.

    Last edited by prince911; December 19th, 2008 at 01:02 PM.
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    Decide where you want your focus because at the moment it's between the guy with the sword on the right and the sword in the middle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Spot View Post
    Decide where you want your focus because at the moment it's between the guy with the sword on the right and the sword in the middle.
    hmm... well... they are both the focus but the old dude in front of the light (Baba Deep Singh) is the main focus.
    What I was planning on doing is keeping the colours less intense on the guy on the right.
    But ya, both are focus but Baba Deep Singh is the main focus. lol that sounds weird. Baba Deep Singh should get more attention, is what I mean.

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    the sword and the thing in the head are in visual conflict here. Separate them... probably find something else to do with the thing in the guys head?

    Nice painting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quigleyer View Post
    the sword and the thing in the head are in visual conflict here. Separate them... probably find something else to do with the thing in the guys head?

    Nice painting!
    That thing is called a farla, it designated (still does) a high status, only a few individual's get one.
    I see what you mean by visual conflict. Any idea how I can keep both? Perhaps fade the sword a bit or dodge that area?

    Thanks!

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    I am not liking the tangents where the tip of the middle guy's sword is overlapped by his turban. It feels weird.

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    Cool! :o



    Um ... the right fist of the man with the sword in the middle, should be closer to the shoulder, with the sword swung at the back.

    The guy on the far left, is he staring at the swirl in the background?

    The guy on the horse, is he supposed to glare at the ground or his men?

    Just asking. :3

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    I am not liking the tangents where the tip of the middle guy's sword is overlapped by his turban. It feels weird.
    Baifan, I will try to curve the turban towards his left a bit. But then that might create a weird tangent space. Please suggest a way I can fix it. Otherwise, I will leave it, its not a big deal if I can't fix it .
    Cool! :o
    Um ... the right fist of the man with the sword in the middle, should be closer to the shoulder, with the sword swung at the back.
    The guy on the far left, is he staring at the swirl in the background?
    The guy on the horse, is he supposed to glare at the ground or his men?
    Just asking. :3
    Pmel Oki, your first comment confuses me. Please clarify what you mean.
    The guy on the far left has been fixed.
    The guy on the horse is glaring at Baba Deep Singh (old dude).
    No worries.

    Ok guys I am gona upload teh "finished" greyscale version.

    Last edited by prince911; December 19th, 2008 at 01:03 PM.
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    the horses head is reading as very small compared to the rest of him for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badkittyamy View Post
    the horses head is reading as very small compared to the rest of him for me.
    hmm... you may be right...

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    Ok colour update!
    I made the horse's head slightly bigger. If its still too small then too bad!
    I am not going to make any significant changes to the greyscale.

    Here it is:
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    Last edited by prince911; December 17th, 2008 at 11:03 PM.
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