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    Things made in CHINA ...actually a Brand inquiry

    Now with this Melamine outbreak/rage, its easy to be suspicious on products made from China. (just a matter of fact, not trying to be offensive)
    My inquiry, btw, isn't really health related.

    My question is: Are the paint materials coming from that country trustworthy?

    You know like Reeves (not Chinese but made in China) and Marie's

    I'm using acrylics and I've come to think the reason why they're cheap is because of the larger ratio of binder/medium in them... But are the pigments the same pigments the label on them says? And even if its just a synthetic alternative, are they still archival?

    Hope to get attention from enlightened ones here @_@
    Thanks!

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    erm.. Art discussion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyver View Post
    erm.. Art discussion?
    What? It's a paint materials inquiry. Most of the threads I've found with the same subject land on this subforum.

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    Reeves and Marie's are 'student budget' brands anyway.

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    my bad - i missed the point of your post

    i guess i got frustrated because i have the feeling that art discussion feels like it's turning into a lounge lately

    i'll try to read in a more sober state of mind next time, promise

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    Quote Originally Posted by HunterKiller_ View Post
    Reeves and Marie's are 'student budget' brands anyway.
    yep, the only ones I can afford @_@

    I don't really mind the less pigmentation but does it also mean less lightfastness and easypeeling/cracking? D:
    ...And on the descriptions on Marie's they're bragging about being awarded for innovation and some other shiz.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyver View Post
    my bad - i missed the point of your post

    i guess i got frustrated because i have the feeling that art discussion feels like it's turning into a lounge lately

    i'll try to read in a more sober state of mind next time, promise
    It's ok. at least its cleared out.

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    I have used reeves before. The oils are not too bad. I still have a painting from when I used them 5 years ago and it hasen't cracked yet. They are a good brand to start with if you are a beginner. They come in a full range of colors in a pack. Not sure what specific medium you are using, but the gouache tends to be a little flaky in my opinion. For watercolor, you might want to try winton.

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    I don't think you should be worried about melamine, its what dyes your skin and as long as you don't drink or eat your paints I don't see the problem.

    Archival based I'd say acrylics your best shot considering good oils are hard to find and expensive. Since acrylics are basically coloured glue it should last a few good years. I'm not sure if using student brands are good for to-be archived stuff, mainly because I've never used them, and that students don't need to archive much so I think the company would've picked up on that/

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    Quote Originally Posted by dark eagle View Post
    I don't think you should be worried about melamine, its what dyes your skin and as long as you don't drink or eat your paints I don't see the problem.
    lol, that's MELANIN! but, thanks for the other input

    EDIT: Guys, the Melamine part is just for analogy, I was just showing a possible reason to be suspicious on their products.

    Quote Originally Posted by wickeddiana View Post
    I have used reeves before. The oils are not too bad. I still have a painting from when I used them 5 years ago and it hasen't cracked yet. They are a good brand to start with if you are a beginner. They come in a full range of colors in a pack. Not sure what specific medium you are using, but the gouache tends to be a little flaky in my opinion. For watercolor, you might want to try winton.
    Isn't Winton more on the higher end (or mid)? Or are you talking about their student grade paints?
    As stated in my first post, the medium I'm working on is Acrylics.
    5 years isn't enough assurance! D: lol XD
    I have a couple of masonite paintings, too, done in Acrylic (can't remember if its Reeves or Art Studio) but primed with Boysen AcyLatex. almost 3 years, still standing.
    Thanks!

    EDIT: oh Winton is the student grade of Winsor

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    Winton is a student grade paint. Since you mentioned that you wanted something on the lower pay scale, I suggested that brand. Otherwise I would have said Winsor.


    As others have mentioned above, if you really want to make sure that something is archival, you are going to have to invest in some higher quality artist grade paints. For arcylic, I favor Liquitex because of the variety of color choices and mediums available. They also come in a student grade, called Basic. Those are much cheaper, but I have never used them before so I cannot say how good they are.
    Also Golden is a good brand I'm familiar with.

    If you really want to save money, you can try getting a combination of student and artist grade paints. Use the student grades for the under-painting and the quality paints for the top layers where you want to more vibrant tones. That way you are not using the artist grade paints that much. This is something I do so I thought I might suggest it.

    Good luck to you

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    talking of winsor their galeria acrylics are quite good. They flow really well, I don't think they stick that flow formula sticker onto it for no reason. But they kinda downgraded slightly by not using real cadmium, apparently, but if your looking for student grades then that's prolly going to happen quite a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dark eagle View Post
    But they kinda downgraded slightly by not using real cadmium
    lol, Cancer 8D
    if you won't die from any other illness, you will die from it. XD

    That's basically one of my questions. Are synthetic alternatives for the old school pigments more inferior?

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    Not all of them, but a lot don't seem to have the 'richness' of color that the bad for you pigments do.

    I would guess if you haven't used cobalt blue, cadnium yellow, etc with the heavy metals in them, you won't have a problem, as you'll not see the difference.

    Public safety warning: don't eat the paint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniGoth View Post
    Not all of them, but a lot don't seem to have the 'richness' of color that the bad for you pigments do.

    I would guess if you haven't used cobalt blue, cadnium yellow, etc with the heavy metals in them, you won't have a problem, as you'll not see the difference.

    Public safety warning: don't eat the paint.
    Oh, so the issue is more on aesthetic quality, not longevity.
    I see, thanks!

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