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    The One Billion Dollar Campaign

    One Billion Dollars.

    The most profligate campaign in the history of mankind dares to make an issue of 150,000 dollars worth of clothes for Palin. The newsmedia dares to make a story out of this.

    Meanwhile the Obama campaign spends 1.5 million dollars a day.

    Do you realize how many lives could be saved with that money? Do you realize how science labs all across this country are struggling to get funding? Cancer research, MS, Parkinson's, Diabetes, tissue engineering, aging...

    Where is this money going? Where is this money coming from?

    $1,000,000,000!

    I'm just disgusted and outraged by this. And the fact that this isn't the biggest story of the campaign just makes me feel even more disgusted with the media. The media needs to be destroyed. It has been purchased. And that is not healthy for a democracy.

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    Uhm yeah, that's an insignificance compared to what we spend on war.

    But as usual we won't see eye to eye on this kev.

     

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    Is it public money?

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    I can agree to the point that the amount spent on campaigns is completely ridiculous, but its a non-story. 92% of his funds are from individual contributions.

    If your going to point the finger at someone then make it Mccain, hes the one taking Federal funds (24% $84,103,800).

     

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    Oh also the money comes from private donations as Obama elected to not have the federal capped allotment. Mccain likes to cry about it because the gamble worked for Obama and Mccain is stuck with his capped budget.

     

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    It's not tax-payers' money like war billions though, is it? Who cares. Palin can't even use 150 000 to buy the right party's scarf.

     

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    Kev...

    Obama is spending 5 Million a day.

    McCain is spending 1.5 Million a day.

    EDIT::: My bad...I mis-read the article. Obama raises 5 Million a day.

    Liberal biased media article linked here

    Kev...where did you get your Obama numbers? Seems low to me, and I'd like to read the article.

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    So does anyone have a "liberal bias media" or otherwise article to tell us how much Obama is spending per day, to back up/not back up kev's finger waving?

    Edit: Nevermind, according to here http://kdka.com/national/obama.campa....2.682003.html Obama spends the same amount as Mccain.

    So I repeat, if they're spending the same amount, who cares?

     

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    Associated Press says Obama has 134 million: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...6BpIwD93V5GJG0

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    Is any of Obama's from the public funding system? I thought he declined that. If so, it's pretty impressive that he can raise that much money through private contributions.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opilione View Post
    Is any of Obama's from the public funding system? I thought he declined that. If so, it's pretty impressive that he can raise that much money through private contributions.
    His 5 million a day is from private donations.

     

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    dares to make an issue of 150,000 dollars worth of clothes for Palin
    considering what happened to Edwards for getting a $400 haircut, I can't have too much sympathy here. Besides, at least it's based in reality. I just got another brochure in the mail this morning all about "Obama's best friend Bill Ayers". You want to talk outrageous, that's just insane...

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    I'm pretty sure Obama uses that money to fund his advertising for the campaign, not to buy expensive clothes from Saks Fifth.

    I'm sure Palin wouldn't have fudged up more than she has in a $500 suit than a $10,000 one. Or maybe her cousin's daughter's dog needs a diamond dogtag.

     

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    Kev, I'm all for campaign finance reform. Back when McCain used to care about that, I had alot more respect from him. In a democracy, elections are necessary, so campaign finance is necessary, and there should be a system that's fair to all parties - equal in funds to major parties, and still giving a voice to smaller third parties. I'd love to see government mandated debate series (one with a minimum response time of half an hour, rather than a maximum response of two minutes), essays on issues, heck, even a comprehensive test on issues, history, and current events. It'd be very telling to see who scores higher.


    Kev, until that happens, ALL our candidates need to rely on donations for finance, and McCain's doing the exact same thing - even after promising to the American people he'd rely on the government for funding and a cap. Face it, Obama's just better at it, partly because he's better organized, and partly because he instills more confidence in voters.

    As for Palin spending so much on clothes. I'll admit that I thought it was a bit petty, and in the scheme of things, not so much. But, it does make her a bit of a hipocrite when she says she's just like the rest of us "small town hardworking types" - while wearing Armani. This is just the news showing how completely full of shit she is, which I hope we can all agree on.

    EDIT: From the Economist

    McCain's creative ways of raising money past his cap: http://www.economist.com/world/unite...ry_id=12305349

    Obama's kick ass organization:http://www.economist.com/world/unite...ry_id=12470573

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    Stupid Americans giving all their small donation contributions to advertising and stylist teams!! You want to point the finger, point it at us.

    Although, yes...I said much the similar to my partner two days ago. They raised all this money in a month, maybe I'd like to see it spent on charities than advertising. That would really draw in my respect.

     

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    First of all, there is a media bias. The bias goes for many stations, and it aims toward both candidates depending on the channel you choose. I generally don't watch the mainstream media because I live in Japan and don't get those channels, I was also able to recognize this the last few elections.

    Personally the bias doesn't matter to me because it doesn't effect me so much. I don't think the bias will effect someone anyway because they will see what they want to see, and will likely turn to the channel that they agree with rather than trying to investigate for themselves. If you're a big McCain fan; You'll likely watch FOX NEWS and accept everything they say - occasionally switching channels to watch one of the, what I prefer to call 'insurgent' GOP, broadcasters allowed to speak on another channel with similar views to your own. If you're an Obama fan; You'll likely watch MSNBC, CNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, etc - changing the signal to watch Colmes argue the outrageous and annoying Hannity. That's if you can stand the constant rambling.

    The point I think he was trying to make is all the wasteful spending done in the campaigns. McCain certainly waste close to or as much money as well, and double speaks himself about finance reform. His post is clear that it could be money used to help people. Of course we're too saturated with picking sides and declaring unwavering dedication to our own candidates to recognize their own faults.

    While I don't agree with some things Kev says, at least he sees the cracks in the visage of the person he's voting for. That's something rare nowadays.

    Quote Originally Posted by Opilione View Post
    It's not tax-payers' money like war billions though, is it? Who cares. Palin can't even use 150 000 to buy the right party's scarf.
    Actually they aren't using very much tax payer money to fund the war. That's where much of our deficit came from.(BTW, our deficit is higher than reported in the media) I guess no one has read about the Wiemar Republic in here. Running up a deficit is far more damaging than using our tax dollars. Tax dollars at most would cause for another wasteful program to be cut, unless they raised taxes - which will happen unless a Third Party were to get into the white, but that won't happen. Even if it did, they would be sued by two major political parties, and crucified by the media every step until the end of their term. Anyway; Running up a deficit to fun a war repeating history and making gaps to fund actions the system will not be able to maintain.

    I would like it if Kev were to post about how the two candidates are both heavily financed by the major banking institutions. Making those some of their top bundle contributions. No wonder they support the bailout.

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    "Actually they aren't using very much tax payer money to fund the war. That's where much of our deficit came from."

    In the long run, it still equals tax payers dollars.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by TASmith View Post
    "Actually they aren't using very much tax payer money to fund the war. That's where much of our deficit came from."

    In the long run, it still equals tax payers dollars.
    In the long run; It equals whatever people want it to equal, I guess.

     

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    jeeeeez kev, this isn't very conservative of you. Having a problem with a how private money is spent is very socialist of you. Would you like the government to redistribute his wealth?

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by aesir View Post
    jeeeeez kev, this isn't very conservative of you. Having a problem with a how private money is spent is very socialist of you. Would you like the government to redistribute his wealth?
    Touché

     

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    Rich people giving money to other rich people and rich people spending money?
    Say it ain't so Joe!

     

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    We all know that Libertarianism presupposes perfect market information and rational decision making. And nobody in their right mind believes those factors are present in the real world. Media and Business ensure irrationality and shallowness, and our education system is generally staffed by people who have never worked in a competitive marketplace and don't have a grasp of it, except insofar as they want no part of it (except to be payed by it, indirectly, through taxation).

    Further complicating matters is that, in a time when the media is struggling with terrible ratings and slumping newsstand sales, Obama's campaign has become a business partner with those news outlets, essentially their top client, their cash cow. It has been this way for something like 8 months. This enters the average news consumer into a highly controlled market.

    So, in order to make this conversation worth having, let's cut out the preprogrammed partisan talk and the ad hominem indirection and the "everybody does it" non-argument and get to the real moral argument.

    A billion dollars has been rallied to buy minds. And while I plan on voting for Obama, I can't help but feel a cult has developed around him, something like the irrational exuberance of a wall street boom. Which makes sense, given money buys loyalty and he's bought himself boatloads of loyalty. But then again, power corrupts... and we are heading into a situation where all three houses of government are going to be in the hands of Democrats. I for one, am scared. And I think the volatility of the international markets are reflecting similar fears.

    A moral argument might take the form of, the Obama campaign is worth a billion dollars (that could have otherwise been spent elsewhere in a morally unequivocal way). Here's why...

    Another moral argument might take this form: The renting and staffing of the media by one party is okay because...

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    Seeing as I gave Obama some of that money, I can hardly complain that he spends it.

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    "...we are heading into a situation where all three houses of government are going to be in the hands of Democrats. I for one, am scared. And I think the volatility of the international markets are reflecting similar fears."

    I'm scared, too. This is exactly what caused the great depression of 2000-2006..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seedling View Post
    Seeing as I gave Obama some of that money, I can hardly complain that he spends it.
    So all that matters is the win, eh?


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    I'm scared, too. This is exactly what caused the great depression of 2000-2006..
    Read a book, tiger. And stop pooping outside your litter box.

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    Actually, I'm re-reading as many of your old posts as i can find. They're much more interesting, especially in light of recent political events...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev ferrara View Post
    And while I plan on voting for Obama, I can't help but feel a cult has developed around him, something like the irrational exuberance of a wall street boom.
    Does this qualify?





     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilaekae View Post
    Actually, I'm re-reading as many of your old posts as i can find. They're much more interesting, especially in light of recent political events...
    Are you planning on running a political campaign against me? Or just writing an Op Ed?

    You dirt devil, you.

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    "Does this qualify?"

    ...well...I'm sorta disappointed that they cut the torch parades and stiff-arm salutes out before posting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilaekae View Post
    "Does this qualify?"

    ...well...I'm sorta disappointed that they cut the torch parades and stiff-arm salutes out before posting...
    I can post that one if you'd like. I just thought I would cut to the chase so that people would see it's a real video. Rather than just responding with accusations that I took a school play out of context or something.

    I'm glad you didn't get as up in arms over this as usual. Perhaps by now you've learned that I'm not a right-winger; I simply pledge allegiance to no man but to ideals. Even the candidate I would have liked to see make it, who was shunned by the media quickly, I am disappointed with.

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