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    Every time i need a quick kick in the ass i check out Feng Zhu's free tutorials on his youtube channel, very good stuff in there.

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    I feel so shitty today.... All my stuff sucks lol. No one comments in my sketchbook.... I hope I feel better tomorow

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    Do people (OHI, in particular) find sometimes that it's only fun when they're doing what they consider 'good' works? All I can say is to throw that thought out of the mental window. I believe it was mentioned on another thread that it doesn't matter if you have a few 'crap' ones, or what you might consider a handful.

    Because, if you put your all into a session, then you should have nothing to worry about. At all.

    It helps to clear your mind and direct your thinking- if it's clouded with the 'this is shit, I fail' cobweb, then you need Raz to go into your mind and clear them all out with a duster. </psychonautsreference>. That's all they are- cobwebs, dusty old 'thought processes' that block and dirty your thought track. It doesn't get you anywhere.

    I kid, you can de-cobweb yourself. Like the OP said, it's all a matter of will. I.e you 'will' do it, or you won't. If there are 'crap' bits everywhere you look in your drawings, it's just a matter of really thinking about and identifying WHAT you think is 'crap'. Then think about how you can tackle it (research, post for crits)- and the next time you try, you might find you not only get better, but feel better enough to play and have fun as well.

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    If you have a short attention span, work on it by doing little things at a time. Don't expect yourself to be able to sit and work for several hours (let alone days) solid, just cut it up into bits. Say- if you want to do a painting, learn how to speedpaint, and work on two or three, one after another, while your mind is still fresh. Then you can learn to be more disciplined in your work ethic, as you can be sure that you can work well in short bursts.

    Attention spans can grow, but interest for art is entirely that- down to interest. If your interest is waning so much that you can't bear to sit and draw anything at all, your best bet is to give up. If you really, really want to do art deep down, and you're not sure, then sit and write down all the things that you like about doing it. Really think about it.

    Then it's just a case of tackling the issues that come with it. Think about it as nurturing a child.

    Most of all- ask yourself if you have fun with it, or if you want to have fun with it. Then find out how!
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    Yes, Feng Zhu has this positive effect on people. For several weeks I just can't wait for Monday to come to see his new video. Better than every show on tv.

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    I must confess to having a major self-discipline issue when it comes to drawing, especially when I have to draw something that I don't find particularly interesting for the sake of training. I know on a cognitive level that I will have to draw mundane, boring subject matter (e.g. still lifes of everyday objects) if I want to get better, but it's not as fun as drawing, say, dinosaurs.
    Everything is better with dinosaurs.

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    wow this is awesome ... enough reading material, followed by self reflection is what I needed to get them gears running again.

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    wow, great thread.
    What I read in "Algenpfleger's Rant" really rings true for me. I remember reading smth quite similar to that, stating, that the internal change you have to go thru is at least as important as the external changes.
    check that out here:
    http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/201...un-in-circles/

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    Very cool motivational video:
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    http://inoveryourhead.net/the-comple...giving-a-fuck/

    really, it's allllllllll in your head

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    I see here people saying that making bad drawings isn't that bad. But what makes me scared to make something bad, is that teachers say that only a bit of my work is good, and the rest is crap. So I am not allowed to make crap. I should make continue great work, which I just can't. (who can? only great artists, which I'm not).
    Maybe having no sketchbook anymore, and only using loose papers will help, so I can throw away all the bad things (but not too much, or they will say I don't work)

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    @xNatje, your teachers should not be making you scared. That's not helpful. Do they at least explain why your work is crap? Great artists became great progressively, through learning, which you also can do.

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    They explain it very vague (or at least, I don't understand it always). It's mostly not about proportions or composition, but about the content. And that is a difficult part of me. All I want is to create beautiful work.

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    @xNatje , no work is "crap". Even work that doesn't live up to expectations is GOOD work... it is practice, and mistakes are healthy. You learn from them, and you practice more and more until you work through it, then you make more mistakes. Never pretend they didn't happen and squirrel them away, or worse, throw them out. To me there is little more satisfying than finding an old sketchbook and comparing it to recent works, to see how much you've grown.

    The last thing you want is to be too afraid to draw because you are scared you will create "crap"!! Just let it all out... let the mistakes happen!! Because if you just freeze up every time you think something isn't going to come out perfect, you will stagnate! Trust me, no matter how good you are, you will always see mistakes in your work. There would be a whole lot less awesome artwork in the world if every artist didn't produce just because they saw something in their work they weren't happy with.
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    That was exactly the problem. I didn't see any growth. now the last weeks I see growth, because I went back to my roots. It's there I found myself back. Nothing is worse then hearing (and seeing it yourself) that your newer work is worse then your older. Now I finally feel that my work gets a bit better again. I'm a bit more proud again, though there are still things that could get better ofcourse.
    How comes we don't see mistakes in great artist's work? I wonder if they feel/felt the same way.

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    someone sent me this link a couple of days ago and i thought i'd share it here as i feel it echoes what has said numerous amount of time on this forum.

    http://www.polycount.com/forum/showp...5&postcount=46
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    Watch some Kim Jung Gi sketch demos:
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    Parka Blogs <- Most dangerous blog for artists (and their wallets).

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    Hello,

    I really love this forum because it helps out a lot of artists in a nice way (constructive criticism, etc.). Thank you for posting this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandon Pilcher View Post
    I must confess to having a major self-discipline issue when it comes to drawing, especially when I have to draw something that I don't find particularly interesting for the sake of training. I know on a cognitive level that I will have to draw mundane, boring subject matter (e.g. still lifes of everyday objects) if I want to get better, but it's not as fun as drawing, say, dinosaurs.
    instead of thinking about sketching, try holding a pencil in your hand for 5 minutes in front of a piece of paper thats what i do and usually works i am drawing in no time

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    So, I can't help but have these self-destructive feelings while I draw. Usually, it's some kind of sick feeling in my stomach, mostly caused by fear of making something that looks bad, or ugly. I know consciously that even making bad artwork is still a step towards progression, but mere knowledge doesn't stop those feelings from bubbling inside me and compulse me to not draw when I'm not feeling very positive about it.

    Don't get me wrong; every day, I spare at the very least 15 minutes for drawing. But as someone who'd prefer to be able to consistently spare two hours at minimum, it's rather worrying.

    It's just too bad that people can't just shut off their feelings like they could flip a switch. Would be nice to be able to only be self-critical AFTER a drawing has been made :/
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    This is so awesome, I will read an item every time I feel like quitting, thank you very much!

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    Do people actually have fun drawing? I can't remember the last time I did.

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    I am so in need of this thread. I hit the wall, and just feel overwhelmed and confused. I knew joining up here even as intimidating as it is...was the right call.

    I've wanted this so long and I am tired of going in circles.

    thank you

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    TY! Dat was so helpfull

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    Sometimes I have good times sometimes I have bad times. I still focus a lot on practicing like it's not enough, it's like an never ending event, when I'm busy I get totally sucked in it and forget about everything around me. Sometimes I even forget to eat and still draw while I'm very hungry. Once I'm done with an artwork I stare to it for hours to see what could done differently, it's like a vacuum cleaner that sucks you into something, I can't stop looking for mistakes. If I design a website it's even worse, I turn on some music and stare at the final results, inspect things over and over for hours for the next couple days. I think I have OCD, since the first day I found this forum I asked myself why isn't the layout of the forum on the center of my screen?

    When I had a bad day I tried to waste as much time as I can, Beezball plans to draw for a couple hours ... watches a movie instead ... plans to draw again ... Beezball goes to bed. The only thing I dislike is if I get positive feedback because:

    - A person who likes you might lie and say its nice so he/she don't hurt your feelings
    - I cannot improve anything on positive feedback. If someone tells me "IT SUCKS, the eyes are not symmetric, why is her left tit bigger than the right one??? n0000b!!!!!!", now with that I can do something, I can look for courses or books which cover the topics involved and improve.

    When I was younger I used to discard my artworks which I disliked, sometimes during the process. I did it because I didn't like it. When I got older I started doing martial arts, I got over that easily and I got more discipline, I'm more relaxed but I still have that OCD thingy lol. The fact that you want to have it straight right away is a good thing in my opinion, that makes you a perfectionist and you can benefit from it a lot within other skillsets. If you have a great eye for detail you will always have a great for detail for everything, whether it's art or cooking.

    I mentioned martial arts because in traditional martial arts your teacher is going to let you do drills over and over, fighting sets over and over while not noticing it you'll do it probably a couple 100 times a day but what you don't realize is that you're getting faster and you're improving. While you cannot see it others can. They say a martial arts teacher is simply a student who trained a lot and while he's teaching he's still learning. The same can be said about any skill, in our case it's drawing. Once you reach a certain level in martial arts and when a person plays a form for you you really can see if he's a beginner or not, you can see all his mistakes even if it's an another style you didn't train. If you don't practice hard enough, your form is going to be bad, if your form is bad your techniques are going to be also bad because all the techniques come from the form. And again the same can be said about drawing, if you don't practice anatomy your characters are going to be pretty bad, even after 20 years your characters will show the same mistakes until you let your ego go and accept the mistakes and improve them. Sadly I see many artists on Youtube creating tutorials but the things their drawings always show some mistakes which could be probably easily avoided if the author worked on it. This happens in the Martial Arts world too, students take lessons for a couple years, start their own school and claim to be a master while they are not good and their techniques lack the basics.

    Making mistakes and realizing that you made one simply means you're learning. All you have to do is to accept the mistakes you made and learn how to avoid them. The people who will attack you for leaving negative feedback are the ones who will never learn something, if you watch them within a couple years they won't improve. The worse ones are the one who compliment themselves, I really can't stand that, IMHO you need to deserve a compliment from others based on your hardwork.

    I did quit digital art, now I found out I couldn't improve because I was looking in the wrong direction. In order to paint you need to know how to draw, painting characters? Learn the basics, anatomy, gesture drawing, drawing in perspective, learn about how to draw proper body proportions. The painting source material I had never covered this, the authors simply start to sketch something and work it out. They really don't tell you how to draw, I could never get it until I got a drawing course on udemy until then I realized why I couldn't do it. I could learn you the first form of my martial art within 1 hour, but you would have no idea what you're doing, how to properly perform the techniques, the philosophy behind every single technique in the form, proper breathing, how to apply it under pressure, how to get faster and stronger, all of this would take many years to understand. So if you join a bad school, the teacher just teaches you a form which might look "cool" but in reality it's bad teaching because the student has no idea what he's doing. Just like a parrot, the parrot talks but he doesn't know the meaning of the words. So what happens? The student gets in a fight and gets beaten up, sees that all the stuff he learned was BS, gets depressed and quits. While it's not his fault but his teachers fault. How many digital painting tutorials claim to be for beginners but once you watch them you realize it's a BS claim?

    Just don't give up, everyone can do it as long you practice and really wants to get that skill you desire. Any master was a beginner once and made the same mistakes you made. Take Paralympics for an example, check out how good those athletes are and on the top of that count their disability, the average Joe would lose if he competed against anyone of them in their sport. Despite being disabled they still managed to gain a high level in a sport which the average person can't reach while having two legs and two arms. So just practice as hard as you can with drawing, as long as you do you will become better and better and better.

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    awesome collection! just what I needed - have already been digging through conceptart and looked at the finished projects in the different threads in order to get some inspiration.

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