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    The Debate

    What does it say about a man when he can't even bring himself to look at his opponent?


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    Yeah I noticed that as well. Very odd, and people say Obama is condescending and pretentious.

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    Even stranger is that he never looked into the camera. Missing an opportunity to make eye contact with 50 million Americans. Oops!
    A child could watch that debate with the sound turned off and tell you who is the leader and who is the follower.

    I can't wait to see Biden throw down next week.

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    What does it say about a man, that his opponent wouldn't even look at him?

    Is this a real thread topic?

    At least Icarus tried!


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    yeah it's getting apparent he doesn't really have a grasp on his rocker...

    ... but I' loved how neither of them would answer anything straight about the current bailout fiasco. apparently they're both knee deep in it... wish the host would have forced them to make a more concrete stance on that one, especially how they're going to explain paying for that as well as all the other tax and finance reshuffling with their burgeoning agendas. He tried, but I guess he couldn't dwell on 1 subject for so long. pity. what they didn't say spoke volumes though.

    I also love how it's the presidential debate, but half the presidential nominees aren't invited. that's rich.

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    A lot of people are saying Obama should have been more aggressive, but I hope the general public will realise that having a president who thinks before he speaks would probably be a good idea.

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    I dont get the point

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    Kevs right though this is kind of silly.

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    McCain couldn't look at Obama because he's intimidated by his sharp intellect, and new ideas.
    What happened to the strong war hero in McCain? He appeared very weak and fragile. This was McCain's time to shine, and get those polls back up. Apparently he failed.
    I guess it's up to Palin, now. Yikes!

    And yes, this is a real thread topic. More substantial than most of the garbage that gets posted in the lounge. Until it gets watered down by Peter, of course.
    It would be nice if the younger members of CA would get more involved in politics.

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    Of all the things we DO discuss in the lounge, I think a little attention to pressing political events couldn't possibly be a negative thing to bring in here. Looking down your nose at it doesn't mean it will impact your life any less. And maybe the collective IQ could bump UP a couple points for a change around here.

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    It's important to see candidates outside their comfort zone. It gives people who never get close to them personally a way of getting a feel for another view they would never normally see. Ask any business person or woman with an obvious chest what they think of someone who doesn't look them square in the eye when first meeting them.

    I personally can't trust someone who hems and haws, or refuses to look me in the eye when they speak. Exactly what are you afraid of that I might find out? And I'm not referring to people here who have problems because they're shy, either. Shyness is obvious from the start because of the overall body language and speech patterns. Being a lech or a weasel is, too.

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    It bothered me SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD that Mccain didn't even look at him. I mean that just makes him look like an ass.

    Obama won


    And why would this not be a real thread topic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Kei View Post
    McCain couldn't look at Obama because he's intimidated...
    According to a researcher who studies primate social behavior, yes.
    Silly? Perhaps. But since it's pretty much a given that you can't believe anything a candidate for office says, how they say it, and the things they don't say, tend to be given a great deal of weight.
    Did Gore lose in 2000 because he rolled his eyes?
    Did Nixon lose in 1960 because he wouldn't wear makeup?


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    who's up for more ORGY OF SPENDING?!

    not me

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Kei View Post
    McCain couldn't look at Obama because he's intimidated by his sharp intellect, and new ideas.
    Hahaha.

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    It would be nice if the younger members of CA would get more involved in politics.
    It would be nice, in my opinion, if the younger members of CA would get more involved in drapery studies, anatomy study, composition, and oil painting from life. They should get involved in politics insofar as it relates to copyright law and small business entrepreneurship.

    If you want to change the world, become a scientist.

    Luckily this time around both candidates are pro-stem cells. So its not a damned if you do, damned if you don't kinda thing.

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    Y'know, we could do a sticky where we define all the political views in one or two concise sentences like Socialist, Liberal, Moderate, Conservative, Chiristian Democrat, etc. with a code letter.

    Then, every time somebody wants to get their own personal dig in, all they have to do is post...

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    "It would be nice, in my opinion, if the younger members of CA would get more involved in drapery studies, anatomy study, composition, and oil painting from life. They should get involved in politics insofar as it relates to copyright law and small business entrepreneurship."

    So, you think young people should stay stupid and keep their mouths shut...or should they just be aware of the fact that nobody "important" cares what they think because they don't have the same rights as "real grownups" when it comes to unimportant things like the economy, war, sexual and racial matters, education, etc.?

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    I thought McCain would break down in a temper tantrum at the beginning. He looked like he was about to jump up and down in anger. Sadly, he kept his temper in check, no entertainment for me.

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    Topics seem to be getting harder and harder to understand these days...

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    Let's just ban everybody who posts in this thread. Everybody who's with me...just post a "YES/NO."





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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilaekae View Post
    "It would be nice, in my opinion, if the younger members of CA would get more involved in drapery studies, anatomy study, composition, and oil painting from life. They should get involved in politics insofar as it relates to copyright law and small business entrepreneurship."

    So, you think young people should stay stupid and keep their mouths shut...or should they just be aware of the fact that nobody "important" cares what they think because they don't have the same rights as "real grownups" when it comes to unimportant things like the economy, war, sexual and racial matters, education, etc.?
    My assumption is that the people who pursue the young with ready-made world views are ideological hacks who are mental predators. And that by living life a little bit first, young people will better be able to tell truth and common sense from ideology, hate and political fantasy. And if you're going to be an artist, the only way to live a life is to be a good artist who makes his living at it. Otherwise one becomes a slave to two masters and there is no time for anything.

    Oh, it would also be nice, in my opinion, if the older members of CA would get more involved in drapery studies, anatomy study, composition, and oil painting from life.



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    Quote Originally Posted by kev ferrara View Post
    Hahaha.



    It would be nice, in my opinion, if the younger members of CA would get more involved in drapery studies, anatomy study, composition, and oil painting from life. They should get involved in politics insofar as it relates to copyright law and small business entrepreneurship.

    If you want to change the world, become a scientist.

    Luckily this time around both candidates are pro-stem cells. So its not a damned if you do, damned if you don't kinda thing.
    Politics doesn't just revolve around copyright laws. Politics determine whether or not the market's going well, if you going to have a job or lose the one you have due to your company cutting back, and if greedy corporate hands are swindling the wealth you're trying to earn to keep yourself under a roof with a car.

    Everyone can change the world if they contribute. You don't need a Nobel Peace Prize to do that. You don't need to know aerodynamics with thrust or physics to do that. That's what you have the vote for. Even one lacking vote can either turn the nation around or sink it lower. So that's why even younger artists - hell, they'll be the next generation of adults, right? - need to know what's going on in the nation and on a global basis.

    What will art matter if your shunting of politics makes it so that you can't afford healthcare? If you have no roof over your head? If your grocery bills can only buy you enough food for three days (or less if you have kids)? Are Mom and Dad going to be able to buy you more art supplies if the insurance and mortgage come first? Are you going to have to forego luxuries because of that?

    Telling younger artists to just focus on their art fundamentals while ignoring the state of the economy and politics is like telling them to play ostrich. Do you really want that generation to do that?

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    Shroudstar, the way people keep a roof over their heads is by earning money. Health care costs, in my opinion, will only come down when biomed hits stride and medicine becomes preventative rather than triage-based, as it is now. There is a grave danger with nationalized/socialized health care that the "care" won't be worth having. To protect themselves, artists should earn money.

    I never said politics revolved around copyright laws. I never said Artists should bury their heads to the world around them. In fact I recommended they should experience the world around them, rather than hearing about it second hand. Second hand information only becomes useful when it can be compared to real-world experience.

    And I didn't say artists shouldn't get involved in politics. I said they should get life experience first.

    It seems like you assumed a lot of stuff I simply didn't say or imply.

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    these debates im afraid wont be sweeps
    while i was hoping Obama would have dropped McCain a "figure four leg lock" off the turnbuckle....

    the victor seems to be in the eye of the beholder here.

    if bush can be seen to have "won" his share, during his campaigns ....then it is clear to me that its just a matter of one's political allegiance

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    yes they are ramping up the psy ops campaing to let people know there is only 2 people running for president. yay.

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    Or those of us in the US can wait to see if the economy tanks or taxpayers end up paying the big bailout. Of course second-hand information isn't good but that's what people have a brain for, right? Believing everything over the Internet or taking the words from a candidate's mouth verbatim without questioning or research is just as bad. Of course young artists need real-world experience; who doesn't?

    Sorry for any implications but your phrasing led me to believe otherwise. Misinterpretation.

    Artists will have that roof if they can make money, unless the US economy flounders like a fat whale and ends up beaching itself on the rocks of utter collapse. At that point, unless we all end up like coro's mystic hobos or someone in government launches a program for artists similar to the Great Depression, we're all screwed along with everyone else.

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    Funny Kev that you warn against 'mental predators' and then you pepper your arguments with statements like this one "There is a grave danger with nationalized/socialized health care that the "care" won't be worth having".

    Get your facts straight and I'll leave it at that.

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    Every media outlet will tell their listeners that the winner was the candidate they listen to that station to hear reports about. An even handed station will just confuse you with exactly matched partisans, although you can just choose which partisan is right, and then you will know who won.

    Actually, to get less meta-scoldy, most people are just tuning in to the election now and getting their first looks at Obama. So as long as Obama comes off professionally, he gets what he wanted in terms of his introduction to America. McCain needs to seem less lizard-tongue creepy-cranky. At the same time, he needs to be a scrappier debater to get some shots in. So I thought Obama won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evildisco View Post
    Funny Kev that you warn against 'mental predators' and then you pepper your arguments with statements like this one "There is a grave danger with nationalized/socialized health care that the "care" won't be worth having".

    Get your facts straight and I'll leave it at that.
    I would recommend the same for you. There is that grave danger. There simply isn't enough good doctors to go around and the huge beaurocracy surrounding health care as it stands is crippling the doctors that are practicing. This is a recipe for disaster.

    Go talk to your doctor about it. Really. Petulance isn't an argument.

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    I missed the debate. I should have watched it.

    I feel like an ass.

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