yeah 400 is actuallly low for their normal application pool from what I've heard.
Animation only got 600 this year aswell, which is low for them on that front. They take 120 Animation students. so that's 1/5
But still better odds than it has been in previous years
At any rate, I find it strange that a student would be telling people that a steady salary is unrealistic. He's a student with no industry experience, how could he know?
Yeah sorry, the guy in the purple was a teacher/someone in charge. Kelsey was just a student, who gave a tour around the halls AFTER the info session.
All I really remember was one applicant putting up his hand and asking "if I got in to illustration AND animation then could I do both at the same time?" He was promptly laughed at.
The other one was when the old coordinator was saying he'd love to take everyone who applied (when answering a question about why illustration only took 10% of the applicants) but couldn't as the industry could only take a 100 grads every year.
hmm i remember on the rubric they gave u a sample score sheet and it said if u don't have a min score of 3.26 u can't get in and it also said the average can also increase if theres more competition. But since theres not as many applicants this year i was wondering will the min score drop too? God I hope so...
If it makes you feel better I read on the website of another Canadian animation school (Algonquin) that only about one in ten portfolios are actually acceptable, and by what I've read on here (DBZ fanart poster? Seriosly?) I can totally believe it. So if it makes you feel better, so long as you follow the rules exactly and have a smidgen of skill, you should be okay, especially with the low turnout this year.
Actually I'm quite curious to see how they grade me.
I wonder what's caused the low turn out...
They said in the information session for animation that they had 900 students pay the tuition fee to apply, but only 600 portfolios were submitted.
Other than the work load being daunting I'm not sure.
Perhaps it's the flood of 3d animation that's in the market right now (do people not realise that 2d animation is being re-picked up by disney as a focus again? or that there's lots and lots of animation work that you can do with the animation degree, including 3d )
There's always a good-sized gap between the number off paid applicants and actual portfolio submissions. They two years I tried to get in, I was told that the average number of applicants was something like 1200-1500 each year, but they never receive that many portfolios.
Even then 900/600 is pretty low. Last year was bad, too. Probly related to the down economy.
@Cheesecake: Following the rules exactly is pretty tough unless you're actually on campus. The written rubric is sparse, and they're looking for some specific things in the portfolios. The first year I applied, I didn't know any of that, and didn't get in. I took art fundies (guinea pig for the now-dead animation stream), and they gave us the run-down of all sorts of extra info they wanted to see.
@Visona: If they don't meet their enrollment quota after tabulating the scores, they'll go down the list in score order, granting acceptance until they hit their number. I heard rumors that they had to go further down their list than they really would've liked to fill the list last year.
BTW did you see those guys who are.. older than I expected (since I'm 17) with giant paintings of like.. dragons? I thought fantasy stuff was disapproved of. I was the short asian guy and one of the only ones carrying a small folder instead of a fancy case.. Yeah, I suck.
aww you don't suck. I saw some other students handing in similar portfolios to what you did, presentation wise. I'm sure they get that. But in the future, you should probably pick up a presentation binder, or a portfolio. A presentation binder is only like $12 at art stores.
as for the paintings, I thought I read something about items over a certain dimension should be photographed. Also, pretty sure they say no manga/anime, no fantasy work, and no digital art. But people had tons and tons of that stuff in their books when I was there. *shrug* not sure.
I think the photographs are for the mail ones only, or at least keep the work at a good size. I saw some sad looking women with GIANT paintings, I think they couldn't submit them because they were too big.
14 AT MAXIMUM DAYS LEFT TIL WE FIND OUT!
Actually, ive heard quite a few thigns regarding what we can and "cannot" submit. For the animation portfolio, we were told we were not allowed to put anime or digital art in there. But i know plenty of good artists who got in with the majority of their portfolio based off of both of these things. Regardless, a skilled artist is a good artist. They tell people to stay away from anime because they don't want cookie cutter anime styles like sailormoon and big googly eyes and they don't want digital art because some are against the younger generation learning digitally with the undo button and not with a pencil first. Which isn't all true, its more of a generalization.
the tl;dr is. If you do it tastefully and with skill,it they should allow some leeway. Not sure how MUCH leeway for the illustration portfolio but i know this for the animation portfolio for sure. A artist who's art style is influenced by anime or done digitally doesn't mean they can't display things like line weight, proportion, line variety, light source and good composition and coloring techniques. Just make sure it doesn't flood your portfolio.
Do it tastefully
Do you have any idea what the pass grade is this year? Have you been told, or are they going to tell you when you get your evaluation back?
Either way, a lot of people in this thread are worrying about other people - how many applied, how good they are, etc. Don't worry about other people! The best person to compete with is yourself. Set your own standards, push yourself hard based on your own capabilities. Put your nose to the grindstone and work your butt off; don't worry too much about the other guys. : )
And you're absolutely right, their standards will remain the same so the amount of portfolios does not matter. This is just me blabbing, I'm nervous but I've fully accepted and anticipate art fundamentals. I have a year to improve myself and although my parents wouldn't like to hear this but.. AN EXTRA YEAR OF SCHOOL, YAY! It may cost more $$$, but I've always imagined art school not as a thing I go to before going off to work, but a place to help me master my skills, or at least to a level I'd be proud of, haha.
Crap, it's late.
I don't know for the previous years but the "no digital" rule is not specified in the illustration requirements this year....You people gave me a scare with that, i have 4 of them in my PF
I was wondering, do they always send you the assessment score or you have to ask them for it?
I wouldn't judge whether you followed the requirements or not by what the vast majority of people in line had. When I handed in my portfolio there were people in front behind me who (and I didn't even see inside their case) broke at least three of the rules just by looking at them.
Something that got said every year I was at sheridan.AND WAIT, "this year had some much stronger portfolios than last year"
It is. Refer to aboveBTW did you see those guys who are.. older than I expected (since I'm 17) with giant paintings of like.. dragons? I thought fantasy stuff was disapproved of. .
As I recall the requirements said something about clean and organized presentation. There was nothing explicitly stated about a leather zippered case so don't feel bad. Refer to above.I was the short asian guy and one of the only ones carrying a small folder instead of a fancy case.. Yeah, I suck
Every year there is often a very long delay with many people's applications. The year I got in there were many others left 'under consideration' for quite a while after my status changed. It isn't like christmas morning. There might be delays.14 AT MAXIMUM DAYS LEFT TIL WE FIND OUT!
There is also never any 'at maximum' when it comes to the online services of sheridan. Sometimes it can take a very long time to find out anything. Don't go crazy.
With that said I stayed up all night hitting refresh on my browser when I went through that time period.
The illustration portfolio is done from observation so anime is inappropriate if submitted under those guidelines. It tells the evaluator nothing about how well you can draw from observation.A artist who's art style is influenced by anime or done digitally doesn't mean they can't display things like line weight, proportion, line variety, light source and good composition and coloring techniques. Just make sure it doesn't flood your portfolio.
You might as well submit a chunk of math homework and a written essay for all the good it will do.
....and the written instructions for the requirements can fit on one sheet of paper. If a student includes things they explicitly state not to then the student is screwing themselves over. It's one of the only things they say not to do.
They also say no heavy metal frames. Plenty of those sticking out of cases when I walked by ....heh.
People in the program aren't even allowed to use digital on illustration projects (outside of computer class) until at least the latter part of second year.
Obviously though if they're producing *in*sufficient work, that's where it becomes problematic.
But I imagine many of the students applying that dont' get in, or that get in who are deemed "atrocious" are probably from a school where art isn't a focus. Right out of high school, Ontario is awesome that it has art high schools, but really only in the big cities. If you go out of the province, most don't have art as a focus, and only offer an under-funded arts-and-crafts version of what *should* be taught.
Why don't you prefer the thing which you are comfortable with so that you can achieve better.
question: So for one of the drawing test I changed this:
Is this good enough? I had no idea how creative they wanted us to be so I held back a tad
And I know they said fantasy/horror isn't allowed but I considered these 2 drawings surrealism and thus stuck it to the man. Then added 2 more drawings just in case
^ My art teacher considered them to be surrealism so I just kinda did that. I also gave them a title taped to the plastic (obviously not over the images but in a corner or blank spot). I thought if I gave them a title that explained what I thought about them then they would consider it surrealism? Or am I trying to hard here? xD
Don't judge their quality of line please! Photo's suck badly and they look 10x better in reality. Take my word for it please.
PS: I think some may be warped since I took the pictures at a angle a bit. It was either that or have horrible glare...
Last edited by My57; March 19th, 2010 at 10:31 PM.
Um, My57? The instructions said not to shade the household objects, and your ID number should be on the back, not the front. I don't know if it'll hinder your chances at getting in, but considering the high competition you want to do everything perfectly. I also now know your name is Samuel.
Also, I think the objects were supposed to be affected by an exterior force, where it seems that your objects morphed? Not that I think it matters, just something to consider I suppose. Just also wondering where your cone and sphere are in the drawing?
There's alot of little instructions to keep track of ><.
As for your origional 5 drawings, I think anything goes there. That is definitally the place to show your drawings, zany as they may be. It's your opportunity to show them who you are as an artist. And if that is who you are, then great
EDIT: sorry, was thinking you applied to animation. If you applied to illustration maybe the guidelines are different >< Like for animation our house hold objects picture had to show cone, sphere, cube, and cylinder, so im assuming it wasnt the same for illustration then...
Last edited by laurabaura; March 20th, 2010 at 01:54 PM.
The drawings that you posted here...are they for the Sheridan animation portfolio, or the illustration portfolio?
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