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    Hey man, here are a few thoughts on the gouache technique you were talking about...

    first of all, i know thomas blackshear and david grove both have used a gouache rubout technique. google search both of them, they are both incredible illustrators and fine artists. (blackshear is quite a bit religious though)
    sample by thomas blackshear
    samples of gouache rubout by david grove.
    and over on mike butkus' thread there's an example with a morgan freeman looking head.

    but, these are all more like "rubout" techniques than underpainting/grisailles.

    from what you were saying, i think it will work provided you keep the paint layers very, very thin. if there's anything close to impasto, it probably will be a mess. if you want to use acrylics over it, use matte medium with NO water. repeat NO water. use water to clean your brushes, but dry them out before painting.

    instead of water you can save a ton of money and buy latex paint thinner from the hardware store. much, much cheaper.

    anyway, when you paint the acrylic over the sealed gouache, just thin your paint with the matte medium and make it translucent. from there it should all be cake. if you do it in multiple layers of acrylic, you can get very smooth rendering.

    anyway...regarding the black and white gouache one... it looks right, but you also need to have everything that will be in the light up in value to a middle gray. from there, pop the lights pretty hard. in your head you should almost think that you're doing a "chrome" version of the subject. you can always kill some of the contrast later by glazing/washing over it. that's where judgment comes in--what to keep and what to lose from the chrome version. just paint over it in layers and it should be fine.

    note: i don't know what painting with a water-based paint like gouache over spray fixative will look like... not sure if it beads up a lot or if it still stays smooth. experiment and find out!
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    ccsears you already know my appreciation

    couple of sketches, some chairs then playing around with gouache
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    super ridiculous 10 minute SP before bed, just getting the need to draw out...

    and yes, i do have muttonchops and mustache combo

    And 5 pages!!!!!
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    todays sketches, channeling some ccsears on the girl (no reference) have a long way to go though!
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    was going through all my old paintings and found this one. totally forgot i did this. That thing in the middle is a mustache!!! I did it when I went to a University for a year and got really tired of the whole "art kid college scene" where everything was serious and had a double meaning. I painted this in spite of everyone there and just to add some humor in my class.

    my idea was "Behold, it is Mustache!!!"

    its ridiculous but I wanted to show it, sorry for the bad pic
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    Haha, last one is epic! Keep up the good work =)

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    Very strong sketches.
    good lines.

    Keep at it, I'll be watching o_O
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    Evergrey hey thanks!
    DoubleThink I hope this sketchbook wont get boring for ya, I want you to stay tuned. BTW, you a fan of George Orwell?

    ccsears has been helping me out a lot, here is a 30 minute sketch of Aldous Huxley, acrylic (burnt sienna), burnt sienna airbrush and white and dark brown colored pencil. Had a lot of fun and will do more once I get some more colors!!

    What do you think?
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    looks good! doing monochrome with this medium can be a little tricky... i think you're using the medium right as far as i can tell.

    the technical problem you're going to face is this: what do you do if you go too dark and need to lighten it? right now, you only have one choice--white colored pencil. that may work in lighter areas, but it might not work in darekr halftones, etc.

    so, anyway, there's a couple more things you can do.

    1) still use the white pencil very lightly, but then glaze over it with a coat of burnt sienna. repeat as needed, but beware of the surface becoming too waxy or the paint won't stick.

    2) do the same thing as 1) but use more shades from the same color family. if the color variation seems too much, harmonize them with a thin glaze.

    3) do some modeling in the light with white acrylic/airbrush too

    i like this. you're off to a great start!

    but be very very careful about using the white pencil on the shadow side of the head. the same thing goes when you do white and black charcoal on gray paper... the gray you get from mixing the black and white charcoal will not match the gray of the paper and will tend to confuse you. same thing with red conte and white on toned paper. if you mix the conte and white, you'll get an awful pink that won't fit anywhere in the monochrome. basically, you just have to think of a strategy for these situations and you'll come out okay.

    next step for you is probably to repeat something similar, but use some white acrylic airbrush on the light side. also keep some darker pencils for shadow accents... possibly black, or just the darkest red you can find. (you'll probably need a little black, but not too much).

    you'll find that this technique opens up a very very wide value range. black badger paint is just about as dark as you can find, and white is almost brighter than gesso. try to push or reinterpret your subject with a high range of value and see what happens!
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    nothing much today, hours worth of work

    i kinda feel so-so about it
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    after some more experimenting, i found that after 2 coats with the airbrush, the white pencil will pick up the burnt sienna, mixing with it to make a gross looking hue. But, not all bad today, i think this came out better than the last one

    thoughts?
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    just messed with this one, literally right after I posted the Kipling one, i think that matte medium is harder to work with than just water. For instance this one is acrylic with water and the last few were with the matte medium. I think Im just used to gouache

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    I really like the last one. This is an interesting technique, and it seems like you're beginning to kinda make it your own with these last couple. Keep at it.

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