i have a couple copies of painter 8 recently, i was going to put them on ebay but i figure new artist could use them more and i know when i got out of college i couldnt afford the retail copies. i have two full versions and two upgrades.thier not stolen or anything like that either. i can hook you up with a copy less than retail price.ohh yeah none of the copies are open, all factory sealed. im not trying to use this site to take advantage. just helpin out artist. if anyone is interested let me know. and if the moderators of conceptart dont like this type of post just let me know.