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    Well, the discussion is very interesting.. But I hope this thread won't be just about the pros and cons about sight-size. That would belong in the Art Discussion forum...

    We choose the Bargue plates ourselves, although they are separated into the different levels, so I can't continue with a level one Bargue after I've already finished one!

    I'll update as soon as I have something to show, although it may take a while before my next bargue is finished. By the way, in a couple of weeks we're having a lecture by Max Patte of Weta Workshop! Awesome? Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcorc View Post
    Not true - you simply put the easel further away than the subject.
    yes, if you put the easel behind the subject a few feet I suppose, but the exaggerated proportions would not be possible.

    The quote about Sargent's methods stated that Sargent "often" placed his easel beside his subject, not exclusively.
    I know, I do not doubt he did this, it is very practical for comparison purposes, I too like to have my easel as close to my subject as possible. I was just saying he most likes didn't use the measuring aspect of sight size to generate an image exactly the same size with the same proportions as the subject.

    Sorry Serpian.

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    The bargues are looking good. For the leg i think the lower fat pad on the knee may be a smidge to long and a tiny bit to thin. I would be able to tell better in the two value stage though.
    Keep at it, everything looks really good so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by reidaj
    Sorry Serpian, don't mean to hijack your thread!
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    Sorry Serpian.
    Haha, maybe we should have a 'sorry' button beside the thank button!
    No it's all good.

    I redid a lot of the leg today, because I had rushed with the details far too much on Friday. It's harder than it looks. We also did a two hour portrait today that went straight to hell, to put it mildly.. Pictures later!

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    Hey Serpian, this is nice stuff you're posting here.

    I don't have any critiques to offer you, but I do have some questions.

    What kind of paper is it that you're using for the bargue study? And what size are you working in?

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    Sepulverture, I'm think it's 160 gsm, A4 size fine grain paper. The instructors recommend toned Canson mi-teintes paper, though. I haven't tried it out yet, but it's supposedly really tough so no ghosts are left when you erase. The profile is about 12 cm high.

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    We had an interesting lecture the other day on memory drawing. Today we are constantly surrounded by pictures and movies. If we go on vacation, we 'remember' it by taking pictures. Therefore, our visual memory needs practice if we are going to get better at drawing. The first exercise was to look at a painting projected on the wall for a couple of minutes, then draw a thumbnail of that painting with as much information from the original as possible, without looking at it. It was interesting to see which things I forgot!

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    Can you figure out which paintings we looked at? On number four, I even got the orientation of the canvas wrong, it should be standing, not landscape! And in number six, the large cupboard to the left was actually two different ones behind each other, but I had seen it as one mass!

    The other exercise was to look at a simple shape and then copy it from memory. We first put our piece of paper on top of the one wit the shape, and traced one of the lines. We then stared at the shape for three minutes, then had to put it away and, from our one traced line draw the shape as correctly as possible. I was quite a bit off! Hans told us that one of these per day, and we would be surprised as how fast we improved! Try one, you can make your own shape and practice...

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    And a figure drawing.. Pretty sloppy.

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    And some progress on my second Bargue. I had to take a huge step back from the version I posted earlier, I had got caught up in the details far too early. This is how it looked a couple of days ago, and today afternoon:

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    ps. Sorry for the crappy photos, I don't have a good setup right now..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serpian View Post
    The instructors recommend toned Canson mi-teintes paper, though.
    I love that paper. Great for slow, classical studies--I did a couple cast drawings using it.

    Nice work on your Bargues. I only see a couple very minor variations (Inner thigh, at the very upper right of drawing, the indentation is exaggerated in your piece). But good work!

    That sounds like a fascinating lecture on memory-drawing. I might just have to try out those memory drawing exercises. Thanks.

    Can't wait to see how your work progresses!

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    Amazing Serpian !!

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    My second bargue is finished! For my third one I've chosen one of the most difficult Bargues, so it'll take a while...

    On Thursday Max Patté of Weta Workshop visited us to tell us about his career as a sculptor. He's a really nice guy, and had some interesting and amusing stories to tell. He's sculpted a life size whale for a movie that never got made. In fact, he said, a majority of the films he's worked on never got made. Also, he's held Brad Pitt's thigh. That's right. In Troy, where Achilles gets shot in the heel, they used a prosthetic leg that went up his thigh so there wouldn't be a seam, and Max had to hold that so it wouldn't fall down. And of course, he worked on the Bat Suit for Batman Begins. And anyone who's worked on that film is fine by me. He can also attest that the Tumbler from that film is, in fact, awesome.

    So, to the pictures! Apart from the Bargues, we've also been doing figure studies, Portrait Drawing Group, and started with Bargue figure drawing copies. We're not supposed to copy these as exactly as the other Bargues, where every little dot needs to be perfect. Rather we're trying to capture the basic proportions, body type and pose of the original. This is to prepare us for the longer figure drawings we're going to do later on.

    Sorry for the ultra-crappy photos, guys, I really need to find a better light setup here...
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    Awesome drawings !
    Really like the finished bargue drawing.
    How many years is the curriculum ?

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    Nice drawings! The frontal standing figure is wonderfully done. The only thing I would say is that you can continue to push your darks in the bargue drawing. Other than that it all looks reallllly good. Give us more! Good luck with your studies!

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    After doing 15 Bargue Figure Drawing copies in about two weeks, we now start working from the model regularly. The Figure copies were a fun break from the tedious nature of the Bargue Copies, and I really felt that i learned a lot from them. They are, of course, still only copies, and you will notice the difference between them and my real figure drawings..

    Sky_Eagle,thanks, the full education is three years, but it's a system where each student progresses at his or her own speed, so I guess it really depends. They also have half-time students.

    Oruhito, thanks! Yeah that's what my instructors say as well! But the leg Bargue is a very bad photo, the values are a bit deeper and more refined in real life.. I really need to find me a cheap tripod so I can start taking better photos again!

    Here are some of the Bargue Figure Copies. I also posted a quick step by step in this thread, is someone is interested.
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    And some life drawings, these are one to two hours each.
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    EDIT: Oh, I forgot! Here's a progress pic of my third Bargue. This is now more than two weeks in. It's moving sloooowly..
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    Nice drawings! that last bargue drawing looks really hard to draw.
    Another little question, how many hours a day you draw at the atelier and how many days a week ? (instructed)

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