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    Gorgoleons Selfportraits

    Since i find myself doing many selfportraits nowadays i thought i might aswell start posting them here.
    Hopefully i will get better at them in a while and have them actually look like me!

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    New portraits..I try too keep em a bit speedy.

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    I was advised to focus more on the linework than the shading, so thats what im gonna do for a while.

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    2 new ones. Been frustrated lately but i think im gettin over it and regaining my patience

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    fast one done today

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    Hey guy, you'e really improved your line quality since your first post, maybe you can try a selfportrait in photoshop Keep it up and be motivated

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    Hey thanks a lot Walid D! Yes a photoshop portrait is a good idea, ive tried doing as much traditional work as possible since i feel i need to work on that the most but im feeling its time for a bit photoshoppin' soon .
    And thanks a lot for the comment it refilled my motivation meter

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    It's a pity threads like this receive little attention from people whilst others get way too much of it. I think you are doing good. It wouldn't hurt if you wanted to play with Photoshop, but still try and keep with the traditional media if you do.

    I'm no expert on heads, but like in my own work, It looks like you could do with understanding the structure of the head and how to render form properly. This might be of some help - http://www.gwc.maricopa.edu/class/bi...ll/skulltt.htm Draw it, study it and try to understand it.

    Keep it up.

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    Thanks very much Burl! As of studying the skeleton, thanks for the link (might come in handy) but right now i have acess to a cranium from that sort of skeleton they use in biology classes and was thinking of drawing it in different positions.
    Your comment ment alot to me so thanks for posting!

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    Nearly forgot, yesterdays selfportrait, trying out doin it in photoshop, found it alot easier somehow.

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    2 fast ones done today

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    That photoshop portrait is really strong - in fact, it outshines most of your pencil portraits. You seem pretty fluent with photoshop - why not do more portraits with the program?

    A common theme I'm noticing with your pencil portraits is that they seem a bit heavy-handed (not all of them though). Try to draw in the lines for the portrait as lightly as possible - so that it's easy to fix misplaced features early on. When shading with the side of the lead, why not use a blender to smooth out some of the value transitions.

    Reserving the white of the paper for your brightest highlights is crucial with pencil rendering - though you seem to have already picked up on that with your last update .

    The first drawing from post 15 is pretty strong. Though you say it's quick, the proportions are handled nicely (much better than the most recent post). The only real advice I can offer is when you plan on rendering all of the values, be sure to not rush yourself. Some of the darkest darks feel almost hastily applied, and the proportions are a bit off.

    Your dedication is great! Keep it up and don't stop posting

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    Nice evolution, man. I like your pencils. Well, you said you found it easier with photoshop...maybe is because you made a "painting" while your pencils are more or less all drawings. Painting is always easier somehow because is "copying" if we are doing a realistic thing...but drawing, unless we get rid of the lines, and we render everything with tones and values....will be kinda "abstraction copy" wich means much more stylism, and right decisions. Thats why is good to learn to draw. (but dont be like me...I got a nice level with lineart...but I am almost a "baby" with colour, because I didnt train properly for years.

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    That photoshop portrait is really strong - in fact, it outshines most of your pencil portraits. You seem pretty fluent with photoshop - why not do more portraits with the program?
    Thanks and i will put that suggestion into practice and try to do a bit more of photshop portraits. I am better at photoshop then with pencils - thats the main reason i have been doing mostly pencils to try and raise my proficency with standard pen and paper.

    A common theme I'm noticing with your pencil portraits is that they seem a bit heavy-handed (not all of them though). Try to draw in the lines for the portrait as lightly as possible - so that it's easy to fix misplaced features early on. When shading with the side of the lead, why not use a blender to smooth out some of the value transitions.
    Yes hehe that heavy handiness is a result of what happens when im frustrated and try to get things done in a hurry. I will draw as lightly as i can from now on, and as soon as ive gotten hold of my blender i will use it too.

    Reserving the white of the paper for your brightest highlights is crucial with pencil rendering - though you seem to have already picked up on that with your last update .
    Yes i have slowly been realising that, but i thank you for stating it because i hadn't realised the real importance of it yet.

    The first drawing from post 15 is pretty strong. Though you say it's quick, the proportions are handled nicely (much better than the most recent post). The only real advice I can offer is when you plan on rendering all of the values, be sure to not rush yourself. Some of the darkest darks feel almost hastily applied, and the proportions are a bit off.
    Curse my impatience! This advice i will repeat in my head as i do the next one. Thanks a lot for you invaluable input Havoc-DM

    Nice evolution, man. I like your pencils. Well, you said you found it easier with photoshop...maybe is because you made a "painting" while your pencils are more or less all drawings. Painting is always easier somehow because is "copying" if we are doing a realistic thing...but drawing, unless we get rid of the lines, and we render everything with tones and values....will be kinda "abstraction copy" wich means much more stylism, and right decisions. Thats why is good to learn to draw. (but dont be like me...I got a nice level with lineart...but I am almost a "baby" with colour, because I didnt train properly for years.
    I hadnt realised that but im glad you explained it too me. I agree about it being good to learn how to draw! I have neglected pencil for a long time instead working only digital but now as ive been working pretty much only with traditional for a while i actually feel a lot more comfortable and secure drawing lines. Before is used to draw tons of lines until the whole sketch was pretty muddled up but now i try to use as few as i can and i find it alot easier! Thanks QETALVIAN

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    New one, spent a bit more time on this trying to render it

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    Duuuude these show serious improvement! You seem to become much more conscious of structure. Keep it up!

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    Done today. Not really satisfied but to bored with it to continue

    Thanks Alpenfleger! It is really good to hear that other people think that you develop, because sometimes you cant see it for yourself!
    When'er i feel im slacking off i'll often visit your sketchbook. It's really inspiring

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    This one i put in a few hours more in trying to be more thurough in finding values and spicing it up a bit by changing position, unfortanly it looks like im stoned .

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    Rough portrait i did today, trying to get a better feel for volumes

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    Another front view. The reason im doing mostly front views even tough i find them alot more boring than the three quarts (sp?) view is that i definently have more trouble capturing the likeness with them.

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    2 new rather fast ones

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    How fast is fast? These look pretty good, and your recent portraits are definitely an improvement. One thing that I think will help you is to not try and draw every single strand of hair on your head. Notice how Loomis uses light and dark masses to define the hair. Think of your hair as being composed of groupings of hair, and not a million billion fibers. Also, that's a good book.

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    Well i kinda switched between the two of them, when i felt stuck on one i shifted my attention to the other so i cant really say how long it took, but i would guess between 20-30 min. I'l try to keep track for future portraits but its a bit hard since i tend to do about half one day and then finish it the next, mostly so i can look at it with less "clouded" eyes .

    Thank you very much for the hair advice. I have not been happy with how iv'e potrayed it so far and i have been thinking of other ways to do it. Now i know how to proceed

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    Hi gorgoleon, ow youv'e made big improvment look at your first selfportrait and your last, and you work hard, you are motivated, and it's cool to see a guy like you, So know, try to update your selportrait thread everyday and Earendil is right for hair. I just found this on internet, don't know if it's a good tutorial or not, but I think it's enough to understand the basis of hair rendering and I hope it will help you So work hard and be motivated

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