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July 25th, 2008 #1Guest
Do you think speed painters lie about there time? Some of there paintings i could not do in a month not alone a hour.
I am also not so sure what is the point of telling the time you took the finish a painting, are you just bragging, or just making a excuse why in is unfinished and a bit crappy.
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I'm sure some do exaggerate, and I'm sure some brag. The point of doing a speed painting and restricting your time is to get the impression and action down without a huge amount of commitment or overworking. Speed painting is a necessary skill to have when you're a concept artist and you have a half hr to do a piece before a meeting...
July 25th, 2008 #3
July 26th, 2008 #4
Painting is painting; digital painting is rendering... and I don't even know what the hell "digital watercoloring" is since if I tried to digitally watercolor, I'd get electrocuted.
July 26th, 2008 #5
Astroluc: What's the point in making the distinction? You wouldn't make the distinction between someone speed painting in oil, acrylic, gouache, watercolor, tempura....so why would you with digital? Visually you'd likely be able to tell the difference right away anyway.
"Rendering" has many meanings...not just digital, and not just 2D.
July 26th, 2008 #6
One could argue that since gouache, watercolors, tempera, oil, and arcrylics are actual paints that the term speedpainting can be used to describe them without concern...
When one uses a computer program to create images, there is no "paint" involved, merely a representation of paint; a facsimile of paint, if you will. So, as a result, I think there needs to be a different term for digital "painting".
And I am aware of Rendering having many meanings; that is not the point of debate, here, since my usage of the term was correct:
Digitalpainting = Rendering
Rendering =/= Digitalpainting
July 26th, 2008 #7
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July 26th, 2008 #8
Isn't á la prima a fancy term for analog speedpainting? Or am I confusing something here?
July 26th, 2008 #9
July 26th, 2008 #10
Astroluc: I meant that many consider digital paint programs as a tool...just as they do paints. You cannot change "speedpainting" to "speedrendering" as that would have the same issues you take objection to in the first place. I'm sorry you didn't get the medium you wanted when you clicked on the link but you should expect that in a forum where digital work dominates (especially if you weren't looking in the fine art forum). You should be able to enjoy and learn something anyway...many of those people are also traditional painters or have learned methods based on it.
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What's next? Will you complain that the term hacker is now associated with IT related criminal activities even thought it is still used in its original form by some people.
In the end a majority decides these things implicitly. And no matter how much the minority complains they end up losing these useless fights most of the time.
It's easier to just accept this type of "inaccuracies".
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Elwell was reffering to the latter so u just cant reply:
"I dont agree with u about using the word speedpainting for digital art because some people tout watercolor painting for digital stuff."
July 27th, 2008 #13
Does it strike no one else as odd that someone's being anal about the distinction between traditional painting and digital painting on an internet forum? If you want to get really precise with terms, then to see some oils and watercolors you need to get your ass off the computer and down to your local art museum.
The distinction between digital and traditional is blurred here because all we see are a bunch of pixels anyways regardless of the source.
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July 28th, 2008 #14
Every time I here the words "speed painting," I have this crazy urge to get one of those radar guns and sneak around other people's studios...
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July 28th, 2008 #15
July 31st, 2008 #16
1 a (1): to apply color, pigment, or paint
Hmm, doesn't sound to me like there is a distinction to be made. Digital artists apply color, just like every other "painter." Who cares if it's suspended in a medium, or applied with technology, it's all the same thing, and takes the same skill and knowledge. To suggest that digital art is something else, is just fine art elitism that has no place in serious art discussion. Any artist worth their salt realizes that medium doesn't matter a whole lot.
July 31st, 2008 #17
I love how touchy (some) digital artists get about this; I AM NOT putting down, demeaning, or otherwise degrading digital media! I am not a "fine-art elitist"
I do feel strongly about certain things, but at the same time I am not as informed about other things as I would like to be; hence I am trying to spark up a discussion. Why don't you all HELP me understand better instead of labeling me an elitist.
July 31st, 2008 #18
speedpainting = digital. ala prima = traditional. That's just the way it is. Doubt it will change, at least anytime soon.
July 31st, 2008 #19I love how touchy (some) digital artists get about this; I AM NOT putting down, demeaning, or otherwise degrading digital media! I am not a "fine-art elitist"
July 31st, 2008 #20
Astroluc, I'm not having a go at you here, but why is it you care so much about this digital/traditional thing?
In both of the threads you've been posting in recently you've had replies from traditional painters, digital painters and a cross section who use both to varying degrees.
The vast majority of people who've responded see it as "just tools, dude" ,
I don't understand why it's such a big deal in your head?
I can kinda see the "clearly labelled terms" thing, but what about if I sketch in pencil, scan it into PS then colour it? That's an unweildy thread description right there.
How about the thumbnail pencil sketch that I'll be building a rough 3D layout of in XSI then printing out and transferring to canvas to paint in oil?
They're tools, that's all.
Last edited by Flake; July 31st, 2008 at 10:31 PM.
August 1st, 2008 #21
August 1st, 2008 #22
for a community full of artists there seems to be a lot of lack of understanding to one that is trying to resolve this digital thing... I attended college BEFORE the digital revolution and would like to learn more about it! Yeah, I'm a bit lodged in the ways I know but I AM OPEN TO NEW THINGS!
Goddamn... call me an elitist?? GOD FOR~F'ng~BID I show some deviation to the norm around here and try to resolve my issues.
August 1st, 2008 #23
You are the one levying for separate terms for the 2; don't get so piffy. If you are as open as you say you are you wouldn't be so adverse to listening to what everyone is saying. I derived the word equal just from the way you're talking. You don't want Digital painting to be painting even though it is. Take a chill pill, this is the internet. Miscommunication happens, but anger isn't going to make you any friends.
August 1st, 2008 #24
The traditional paint version of speed painting is called quick studies. And if you wanna see a quick studies master check out Craig Nelson. http://www.craigzart.com/showcase_studies_p1.html
All of the images there are 60 minutes or less. And no he isn't lying lying I know him and have seen him do similar things.
August 1st, 2008 #25
Sure, some of the tech existed but it wasn't in anything like mainstream use, I think the graphic design department had the only computers, primitive macs attached to a scanner the size of a desk.
Edit: actually the animation department had one, it was some kinda digitiser set up linked to an overhead camera for cell animation.
Anyway my point was that as the digital techniques and tools started to appear I didn't see a Revolution I just saw fun shiny new toys to play with.
Last edited by Flake; August 1st, 2008 at 01:48 PM.