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    Global warming. What do you think of it.

    I thought I'd present this question to the art community here and see what people think.

    What is your opinion about global warming?
    If you believe it's true what do you do about it?

    PS. Hope no one got butt hurt by the earlier tittle. Just curious to see what you think of global warming

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    True. Try to reduce my carbon footprint and hope it's not too late. (Although a more morbid part of me kind of hopes it is too late, just because I'm curious to see what, exactly, that would lead to. Although I'm sure the more interesting repercussions won't happen in my lifetime, sadly.)

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    Probably true. More to follow. (I'm covered in sheet rock dust right now...)

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    Relevant, perhaps.

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    Makes me wonder how working digitally vs traditionally impacts the environment. Computers produce a lot of hazardous material during construction and disposal, and they use quite a bit of energy. I think the presentation is wrong about the processor bit though.

    Generally I try to recycle. If I boil pasta I keep the water for watering the garden (it probably has nutrients). Got a compost too. We're pretty good at recycling in Sweden I think, but afaik the major players are the mines, factories and transports.

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    false, the bears are hiding the ice underwater.

    (TRUE)

    I think that even if it isn't true we would probably do some good by looking after the environment (I think global warming is the truuf)

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    Quote Originally Posted by yousa View Post
    If you believe it's true what do you do about it?
    I don't think it's a matter of belief. I think it's a matter of research.

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    Belief is what you really want something to be- I think everyone would love for it not to be happening, but nothing ever got fixed by pretending there wasn't anything wrong. It's not 'believe this or believe that', it's 'accept what appears by all reckoning to be the case or believe that everyone and everything are lying to you.'

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    Your thread title is terrible.


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    There is so much info and so much data.

    Just open your eyes.

    http://www.ipcc.ch/

    Take your time and read the site.

    Every forum board seems to want to discuss this but there are always people who don't seem to want to open their eyes.

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    Both and neither. Scientists are changing their minds all the time; in the ‘70s we were heading for a mini ice age. Regardless, I recycle loads more than I chuck and think we should all take more care of the planet.

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    Just open your eyes.
    I don't like being told to open my eyes. I find it offensive.

    its like saying, no! look at my way of thinking, your different and as such wrong!

    stop this. I would like to make my own mind up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Boswell View Post
    I don't like being told to open my eyes. I find it offensive.

    its like saying, no! look at my way of thinking, your different and as such wrong!

    stop this. I would like to make my own mind up.
    When your title says "Global warming, True or hoax."

    You're pretty much discrediting the work of tens of thousands of people. I think at least looking at the data and opening your eyes before you start a very volatile topic like this is to be expected. Or do you feel I am mistaken?

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    Have to reply real quick before hitting the sack.

    Elwell&Aurelyx: I wanted the tittle to give you the chance to express your opinion of the subject whether you believe global warming is true or not. There are billions of people in this world who BELIEVE it's hoax because they haven't seen it, heard about it or they are in denial about it whether it's the lack of information or the overwhelming fact that it is like from a science fiction movie

    More to come about my personal opinion...

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    I don't like being told to open my eyes. I find it offensive.

    its like saying, no! look at my way of thinking, your wrong and as such blind!

    stop this. I would like to make my own mind up.
    and yet there are many issues where the evidence seems sooo overwhelming or obvious than any argument of it is baffling. In those cases, it's hard to form a logical and concise response. "Just open your eyes" is the gut reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurelyx View Post
    When your title says "Global warming, True or hoax."

    You're pretty much discrediting the work of tens of thousands of people. I think at least looking at the data and opening your eyes before you start a very volatile topic like this is to be expected. Or do you feel I am mistaken?
    no no, I meant it as a blanket statement, I agree with what you posted, I just find that phrase a little too... intolerant?

    its a pet hate.

    edit, also, i didn't start the topic.
    I apologize, I should know better than to argue semantics in the lounge
    edit edit, I didn't make this clear when I posted first... sorry about that.

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    I think it's baloney. Sure global temperatures are changing... that's definitely measurable. I don't know that global temperatures are being affected all that much by human industry though and I haven't heard anything yet that convinces me that it isn't cyclic energy fluctuations from the sun that is influencing it more. Anything that gets trumpted by the media so overtly I tend to think of as nothing but propaganda.... to serve somebody's agenda... and it isn't the Earth's!

    That's not to say that I don't think humans are doing a great job in destroying their environment. That is indisputable! Poisoned rivers, clearcut forests, pollution, depleted uranium... it's horrible stuff... tragic stuff... we should all try to recycle and consider more earth friendly ways of living. but the whole global warming hysteria is just that.... nothing but mass produced hysteria.

    If all the energy and manpower that is going into promoting this drivel would be shifted away from trying to program society and would instead shift and focus on some serious problems we face at the moment (Iran anyone? Military Industrial Complex anyone? which by the way is more than likely the largest polluter of all anyway...) we would be much better off in the short-term and long-term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Boswell View Post
    no no, I meant it as a blanket statement, I agree with what you posted, I just find that phrase a little too... intolerant?

    its a pet hate.
    I see.

    The opinion on it was very one sided and supportive of global warming in our school.

    But I usually seem to run into people who are quite unwilling to look at hard evidence, regardless if it supports global warming or not.

    I'm very sorry if my reaction was too extreme, like the poster above me said, it was a gut reaction.

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    its okay, we'll get through this together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Boswell View Post


    its okay, we'll get through this together.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Boswell View Post

    I think that even if it isn't true we would probably do some good by looking after the environment (I think global warming is the truuf)
    My thoughts exactly. Even if global warming isn't true, that doesn't mean you shouldn't take care of the environment anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chingwa View Post
    Anything that gets trumpted by the media so overtly I tend to think of as nothing but propaganda.... to serve somebody's agenda...
    Such as terrorism?

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    Such as terrorism?
    EXACTLY like terrorism.

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    The predictive power of the climate models seems like its been nil so far and temps have been stagnant for a few years in a row. And headlines like "More Kidney Stone Disease Projected Due To Global Warming" make it hard to think anything else but that there's big grant money in anything having to do with global warming right now.

    Regardless, there's simply no reason to keep pumping so much junk into the environment, not just CO2, but any of the unnatural substances we burp out too. And Kyoto's not a serious attempt to do anything, its just designed to pacify the newspapers and the environmentalists and get a few politicians gold stars (Nobel prizes) and others re-elected.

    Clean tech is the only way out, IMHO. But we need the economy to be strong so that the money is floating around to capitalize all the clean tech innovation. So I sez, let's drill all over the damn place and get the price of oil down, so we can bridge the time until the new tech comes online. If that makes me a Conservatard, so be it.

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    Is climate changing? Yes.
    Is it getting warmer? Yes.
    Are humans responsible? Some of it.

    I think it's a very complex subject, and there are many factors that can and are influencing our climate...I do not think that human activity and carbon dioxide levels alone are responsible for the global warming. There is disagreement among scientists whether or not the carbon dioxide levels are sufficient to cause the level of warming we are experiencing now...so we can't really say for sure. Volcanoes and wildfires emit far more carbon dioxide than all the human activity altogether.

    Plus, there were many times in our past when the climate went to extremes, warm and cold. When the Vikings discovered and settled Greenland, it was warmer back then and more hospitable. Then it got colder and they left. The Krakatoa eruption caused temperatures worldwide to drop for several years.

    I think it is a sum of many different factors at work, not just carbon dioxide, but also desertification, expansion of urban areas, geological and solar fluctuations, weakening of magnetic field to allow more solar radiation, and many others. It could be the methane gas...from 7 billion farts. I am not dismissing global warming at all-- it is definitely going on because we are seeing so many changes in such a short time, but I doubt that there is just one single cause. And our politicians and scientists are fixated on that, thinking they can solve the problem by just "magically" reducing carbon dioxide and the problem will go away, when it is very likely that it is not the primary cause. It have become more of a political propaganda tool pushed by environmentalists and socialists as a way to get masses and government under their control.

    I do think we should continue to do better for the environment, reduce our dependence on oil, use renewable energy, recycle, and plant more trees. It will have to happen eventually, not overnight. Well, my two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chingwa View Post
    EXACTLY like terrorism.
    Well, a healthy skepticism is important. But it shouldn't overwhelm one's ability to take in the facts of the world. For instance these hot spots come to mind...

    New York, Washington, Madrid, Bali, Jaipur, Peshawar, Mymenshingh, Paris, Toulouse, Natanya, Chechnya, Darfur, Casablanca, Istanbul, Riyadh, Beslan, Lawaypora, Jammu, Tral, Algeria, Phillipines, Rajouri, Haifa, Bresje, Srinigar, Magas, Mumbai, Jakarta, Mozdok, Boumedefaa, Nigeria, Wamena, Davao, Kfar Shatatiya, London, Nadimarg, Mombasa, Bombay, Tubud, Tacurong, Mindanao, Moscow, Fajul, Ahmedabad, al-Medya, Afula, Kaspiisk, Karachi, Shoba Karika, Erriadh, Swat, Gujarat, Seidi Lakhder, Behra, Kalaali, Ramban, Bahawalpur, Peleru, Hangu, Hiiran, Mataban, Jandola, Khyber, Mogadishu, Bouira, Mardan, Bule Burte, Rawalpindi, Muhajiriya, Haskanita, Miranshah, al-Qalamoun, Sires Umm al-Qura, Chad... (etc.)

    Global Climate Change may be a cheesy way to describe a potentially grave problem, but that does not mean we should not take the problem seriously.

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    Global warming. What do you think of it.

    EDIT: And because it would be unfair to leave the other side un-entertained:

    Global warming. What do you think of it.

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    We as a collective species, are incapable of exhibiting the meaningful, and effective empathy that ensures all our fellow human beings can live unthreatened existences. If we don't have the passion, and need to solve and then prevent problems like Darfur, how are we supposed to deal with the comparatively abstract concept of environmental menace?

    I suppose I'm advocating peace on earth and goodwill to all men. The ultimate expression of charity begins at home. Impossible and simplistic I know, but this has to be the first step.

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    I'm not a climate scientist. I have a pretty good layman's knowledge about climate change, but nothing more. So I'm going to listen to the scientists who actually know what they are talking about.

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    As far as agendas are concerned, the most vociferous denial of evidence for climate change comes from some of the most notoriously agenda-bearing people in the history of human civilization- U.S. politicians. Oh gee, I dunno whom to trust- a person whose lavish lifestyle depends on a career of saying one thing and doing another, or someone who's devoted their life to picking over numbers and charts and spectrometers for shit pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chingwa View Post
    I think it's baloney. Sure global temperatures are changing... that's definitely measurable. I don't know that global temperatures are being affected all that much by human industry though and I haven't heard anything yet that convinces me that it isn't cyclic energy fluctuations from the sun that is influencing it more. Anything that gets trumpted by the media so overtly I tend to think of as nothing but propaganda.... to serve somebody's agenda... and it isn't the Earth's!

    That's not to say that I don't think humans are doing a great job in destroying their environment. That is indisputable! Poisoned rivers, clearcut forests, pollution, depleted uranium... it's horrible stuff... tragic stuff... we should all try to recycle and consider more earth friendly ways of living. but the whole global warming hysteria is just that.... nothing but mass produced hysteria.

    If all the energy and manpower that is going into promoting this drivel would be shifted away from trying to program society and would instead shift and focus on some serious problems we face at the moment (Iran anyone? Military Industrial Complex anyone? which by the way is more than likely the largest polluter of all anyway...) we would be much better off in the short-term and long-term.
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