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    Quote Originally Posted by sve View Post
    ...here is on of definition of communism:
    Communism is the idea of a free society with no division or alienation, where humanity is free from oppression and scarcity.
    Looks like next morning after Judgment day for me.
    eh... are you kidding me? Communism is the morning after Judgement Day?

    first, a preface: i was born in Bangladesh. but grew up in America.

    and now: as a red-blooded American let me say, "Fuck Communism and Socialism and Carl Marx and all his brethren!" it's in quotes since i actually had to shout that outloud.

    The State does not love you. The State does not sacrifice for you while it asks you to sacrifice for it, the community, the greater good, etc.

    The basic premise behind the Abrahamic Religions (i will only speak of those as they are my basis of knowledge) is that God loves Man despite Man's inability to properly love God. God does not ask that you sacrifice. He asks worship and love but he asks that of Man in free will. Not by force, which Communism does.

    You can dress Communism up as a religion all you want but it ain't. You can paint that pill red and call it Tylenol but it's still cyanide.

    The Abrahamic Faiths value the individual life. Moses freed slaves. Communism makes slaves of people in the worst way, it shackles your mind. You said it yourself, no free expression, controlled beliefs, forced blind worship of Communist symbols and ideals.

    As an American at least I am free to believe in whatever I want to believe in. Any religion I choose to follow. And I can gain advancement in my profession regardless of my political party affiliation, religious bias or otherwise.

    And you tell me Communism is the morning after Judgement Day?

    BTW, I said read Brave New World because many believe Huxley was hinting at the futility of Man's effort to create Utopia on Earth. Communism and Socialism are just that, attempts at creating Utopia on Earth. Now do you get my point Craig D?

    And while you're at it, read Animal Farm. There's a blatant anti-Communist story for you. "All animals are created equal. But some animals are more equal than others." Yeah, Communism works. Sure.

    What I love about Communists and Socialists is that it's always a promise that soon we will achieve Heaven on Earth. Soon.

    You can't find one example of a Socialist or Communist society in history that works -exactly- as those two philosophies describe themselves.

    American Capitalism works. That is why for such a young country we have had more progress than countries far older than us. And we certainly enjoy more freedom than any Socialist or Communist nation.

    I don't have to pay for ice cubes. I was asked to pay for ice water in Europe. No, the water was free, but the ice...

    And I don't have to wait six months for kidney surgery like my relative in Canada. I can get that done frickin' ASAP!

    Alright, this thread probably needs to stop because we have lost our original intent. This has become about society and political structures. As an American I'm pretty damned proud of our Capitalism because it works and affords our people more freedom than any other society in history has afforded its people.

    What's truly sad is Americans do not realize how lucky we are. I am an immigrant and so I get it. But most Americans don't even know. They complain about 40 Million Americans who have no health care but don't realize 260 Million DO! Hell, our poor still drive cars! And you can walk up to a store and get a job without having to join a political party or denounce your religion.

    Don't talk to me about the idealism of Communism. Bangladesh is quite Socialist so I do know a little something of those two ideals. Heck, even Carl Marx said Socialism was the final step in a society's progress towards the ideal of Communism.

    Well, fuck them both and the mental slaves they make of human beings. You're stuck in the fucking Matrix and thinking you're breathing real air if you swallow -that- pill. Blah.

    Give me fucking liberty or fucking death.

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    Don't talk to you about idealism of Communism? what... do you want to hear only yourself talking? You think you already know it all?

    OK then. You should have announced it from the very beginning.

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    Question

    Dude, did you even read Sve's post?

    I ask because to me it reads as a very calm rational post about the ways in which communism resembles a religion of sorts.

    You appear to have read it as "Communism!, fuck yeah!"..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flake View Post
    Dude, did you even read Sve's post?

    I ask because to me it reads as a very calm rational explanation of communisms resemblance to a religion of sorts.

    You appear to have read it as "Communism!, fuck yeah!"..?
    she never said one thing negative against Communism. she surely did explain quite rationally how it is similar to religion.

    my point is that it is unlike religion in that it is forced upon you and not freely chosen. but yes, Communism is certainly meant to replace religion.

    and the picture of the Communist "trinity" beneath the line of "looks like the morning after Judgement Day" certainly appears to be pro-Communism.

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    Heh, Internet marvels are unlimited. I'm never bored and never fixed on one idea and I'm grateful for that.

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    "she never said one thing negative against Communism."

    It sounded pretty negative to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TASmith View Post
    "she never said one thing negative against Communism."

    It sounded pretty negative to me.
    Well, it read like she was defending the ideals of Communism. If I am wrong and she was not supporting Communism then I am mistaken and sincerely apologize.

    I get a little heated on matters of patriotism sometimes. It's a tough time to be an American. I just read a story about how a singer was asked to sing the Star Spangled Banner at a political gathering in Denver, CO and she changed the lyrics to a gospel hymn that many call the "Black National Anthem."

    That really bothered me. Pride of your people is one thing. But the National Anthem is the National Anthem and should be respected.

    SVE, sorry if I misunderstood your post. It seems everyone else thinks you were not defending Communism so I must be in the wrong here. Hope I didn't irritate you too badly with my "Fuck Communism" rant! lol.

    Forgive my zealotry.

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    Why is it important if I defended it or was against it? We were discussing if Communism resembles religion. Any religion has certain common features, positive or negative, it is subjective for everyone.
    Communism is Utopia IMO, and morning after Judgment day is Utopia IMO.

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    Kauser...

    What some self-centered moronic twit does at a ball game has no part of this thread. You wanna rant about it, do so, in an appropriate place. DON'T make it one more proof that everybody here that is trying to discuss something with you is all part of a seditious fuckin' conspiracy that's out to prove you're a traitor of some kind. You damn well owed Sve (and a few other people) an apology, and you posted one...a real one, so I give you points for that.

    Now, get off your fuckin' self-centered high horse and actually try to listen to people instead of assuming you know what they said without actually reading AND understanding what they wrote. It gets boring and a bit childish real fast.

    You and I in a locked room would probably kill each other. Reason? Judging by your rants, I'm fairly certain you'd consider me a traitor, seditious, unpatriotic, and anti-US. If that was your honest opinion, you'd be entitled to it without any comment from me, but as I start to interpret your attitude from your writings, and your bull-headed insistence on coming out on top, I'm fairly certain you'd be saying it with a self-righteous sneer on your face, and that would really piss me off.

    I have an absolute hatred of fascists and dogmatic religious freaks with closed minds. Your discussions comes across as fascist rhetoric to me, not a defense of your patriotism. Chill out. Think twice before you post something, and maybe try to see at least SOME good in SOME opinions that are unlike yours and may be just as valid as yours.

    Sorry for the rant in public, but I think I've dropped enough hints, and now I've lost my patience. My sincere apologies for that.

    You have the ability to state things concisely and clearly to support your opinions. You do it in a less combative way, and you'll be a real joy to "argue" with. Treat your discussion mates as the enemy and always wrong, and you'll just piss everybody off. It's happened before here. I would not like to see it happen again. Unnerstand?

    I'm making these comments to you because it's possible I'll get banned for it. It could hurt someone else who really needs this forum if they said them. I don't care. I'm here because I like it. I just don't like to see people I've come to see as friends get pushed around verbally.

    Can we end this and be at least civil to each other, if not friends?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kauser.ali View Post
    Well, it read like she was defending the ideals of Communism. If I am wrong and she was not supporting Communism then I am mistaken and sincerely apologize.
    She wasn't, she was explaining it from an in depth perspective that most of us will (thankfully) never have.

    You were wrong and spectacularly so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilaekae View Post
    Kauser...

    What some self-centered moronic twit does at a ball game has no part of this thread. You wanna rant about it, do so, in an appropriate place. DON'T make it one more proof that everybody here that is trying to discuss something with you is all part of a seditious fuckin' conspiracy that's out to prove you're a traitor of some kind. You damn well owed Sve (and a few other people) an apology, and you posted one...a real one, so I give you points for that.

    Now, get off your fuckin' self-centered high horse and actually try to listen to people instead of assuming you know what they said without actually reading AND understanding what they wrote. It gets boring and a bit childish real fast.

    You and I in a locked room would probably kill each other. Reason? Judging by your rants, I'm fairly certain you'd consider me a traitor, seditious, unpatriotic, and anti-US. If that was your honest opinion, you'd be entitled to it without any comment from me, but as I start to interpret your attitude from your writings, and your bull-headed insistence on coming out on top, I'm fairly certain you'd be saying it with a self-righteous sneer on your face, and that would really piss me off.

    I have an absolute hatred of fascists and dogmatic religious freaks with closed minds. Your discussions comes across as fascist rhetoric to me, not a defense of your patriotism. Chill out. Think twice before you post something, and maybe try to see at least SOME good in SOME opinions that are unlike yours and may be just as valid as yours.

    Sorry for the rant in public, but I think I've dropped enough hints, and now I've lost my patience. My sincere apologies for that.

    You have the ability to state things concisely and clearly to support your opinions. You do it in a less combative way, and you'll be a real joy to "argue" with. Treat your discussion mates as the enemy and always wrong, and you'll just piss everybody off. It's happened before here. I would not like to see it happen again. Unnerstand?

    I'm making these comments to you because it's possible I'll get banned for it. It could hurt someone else who really needs this forum if they said them. I don't care. I'm here because I like it. I just don't like to see people I've come to see as friends get pushed around verbally.

    Can we end this and be at least civil to each other, if not friends?



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