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    Thx for that words, I'm new here and my first attempts to get some constructive criticism to my actual WIP failed sofar as, ecept one person, nobody seems to reply at all. Guys are just watching. I usually give critics to peoples' work myself in other forums, but after I had seen what some guys here are drawing like, I mean (almost) professional standard, I didn't dare to criticise at all!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colt Seavers View Post
    Thx for that words, I'm new here and my first attempts to get some constructive criticism to my actual WIP failed sofar as, ecept one person, nobody seems to reply at all. Guys are just watching. I usually give critics to peoples' work myself in other forums, but after I had seen what some guys here are drawing like, I mean (almost) professional standard, I didn't dare to criticise at all!!!


    Greets, Colt!!!
    Well first of all it is a critique not a criticism which are two different things, even though they are connected and it is a very common misconception. A lot of art critics and art historians critique however a good majority of them don't have one ounce of skill. Lastly feedback is feedback, heck even saying what you like about a piece and why you like it can be constructive feedback. As far as replying to others threads but not receiving help well I would say not to have it as a expectation that they will come and offer feedback because that is unrealistic and you are just setting your self up for a disappointment, so the best you can do is hope you appeal to their good nature. However I also thought well perhaps the people we offer feedback on their work do not know that you have a WIP thread as well on the board so I just started adding a link to my current WIP thread in my signature. Sure I will have to change it each time I start a new project but if it works use it and abuse it.
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    I got a question

    Lets say I've been posting my art here in the Critique Center because it's clearly not at the quality of for "Finally Finished" yet. But when I feel that I've completed a painting, or a series of them, would it be appropriate for me to RE POST the completed paintings in the "Finally Finished" section if I wanted to?

    It would seem redundant to re-post all the pieces in the Finally Finished section... but then again... this is more of a WIP/Critique thread, so when it's done, I just want to make sure I'm not doing anything unapprorpiate by wanting to post it in FF.

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    I have a question, a user posted:
    This is a sketchbook. Ask a mod to move it please.
    I have only posted Portfolio pieces,for which I need constructive criticism.
    The Stuff that's in my Sketchbook is more 50's style, and more like my style
    sketchbook.

    So was it wrong for me to post my portfolio pieces in the critique center ???

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    iven, I agree with the poster, the stuff in that thread is much more appropriate for a Sketchbook thread. The Critique Center is more for individual works you want specific help with, rather than general feedback on your whole body of work. Would you like me to merge the two threads into one Sketchbook thread?

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    Question merge ??

    Would you like me to merge the two threads into one Sketchbook thread?
    Did you merged the threads already,....?!
    Would like to post more in my critique center but I think
    I should wait,......


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    Yup, this forum has helped me a lot. 80% good advices. Though one thing is weird...the number of guests is greater than the number of members. Trying to learn stuff off others works without the hassle of registering. I think, the forums should be locked from visitors. Come on, want to learn...simply JOIN.
    What do you think?
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    its perfectly fine to learn from others... something people should do more often anyway, because its quite tiring to say the same things over and over.

    instead i often get the impression people are rushing in here, posting up their pictures, hoping for someone to spend the time and effort they didnt feel like, and running off for a nice day at a bar. yet most problems could easily be resolved by themselves, if they were taking into consideration and learning from whats been said/shown in other peoples threads.

    id hate, having to login to browse through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sone_one View Post
    instead i often get the impression people are rushing in here, posting up their pictures, hoping for someone to spend the time and effort they didnt feel like, and running off for a nice day at a bar.
    I absolutely think that as well. "here I drew this, now tell me what to fix". I think the CC forum is very important in getting the fresh look and different opinions rather than a service you just drop by and dump your art and hope for the rescue.
    I find myself often in the situation though where I think "oh I'll just post that in the CC forum", and when click on "new thread" I am stuck, not really knowing what to ask- because I already know what I have to fix: the basics.

    I would suggest to anyone in this forum to ask themselves upon opening a new thread, "what is it that I am asking for?". If there is something that freaks me out, then it is threads that start with "Any critique much appreciated" and then descend to "oh thanks for the tip, I'll do that next time". Well, if you intend to put more effort in next time, why don't you just get books on whatever your issues are, and figure it out yourself. I read 250 pages of Bamme yesterday, lucky that I am native in German language. I think own engagement with the study (if you're self taught/hobbyist/amateur) is a lot better than turning the CC forum into a sketch-McDrive. For example, Bamme despises Loomis and Hogarth for turning away from the scientific side of anatomic study, simplifying and over-exaggerating. This read is very enriching. I still regard Loomis' head studies as useful to me, but now I am also aware of different viewpoints. Alas, study.

    A lot of general advice, I found, can be received in the Sketchbook forums. Surely most people leave a "hey nice work, keep it up" comment, but if you respond and engage with the people. you get some nice advice which the CC centre wouldn't give in a thread dealing with a particular piece of work.

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    Ok...how about somebody posted something they needed advice for a project in the future. And after a few days he sees his idea done by someone else. That would mean stealing??? Am I wrong??? Of course nothing is original these days, but stealing is stealing. Simple.
    And about others pictures. Well, I wouldn't know whether he/she really wants to learn or is just passing time uploading stuff.
    Not everybody is a quick learner and not everybody can learn from others problems.
    As for me, I don't see any thread not asking serious stuff. Some people may not know what they want from the critiques and may be confused, in that case the reviewer should tell them to be clear instead of taking a grudge for wasting time in the forums.
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    to be honest, ive yet to see an original idea in the crit section... if you worry about your pictures/ideas beeing stolen...dont post them...anywhere.

    yet i think the hardest lesson (and one reason people are put off often), is that your ideas arent as precious as they might appear to you. your personal and unique take on a nightelf-archer (what an amazing concept), might not have the impact you estimated. eventhough its your first time, weve seen it a thousand of times.

    one thing that (to me) got lost, is that people who are striving to do art for a living, are recognizing that it is hard work to get there.
    "how to improve on that....", yet havent even done their browsing on the forums, which would bring up some answers and more important questions.

    to me it seems that this is all going wrong, because people still seem to think, that something coming for free, has little value and can be treated easily. people fail to recognize that art is a product of effort (even if some prominent pictures carry the impression its not).

    most of the time to me this is like ... a drowning man asking which move to make next, thinking this one (and only this one) move is a fundamental lifesaving action, and they lived happily everafter... yet would never consider learning how to swim...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richi View Post
    Ok...how about somebody posted something they needed advice for a project in the future. And after a few days he sees his idea done by someone else. That would mean stealing??? Am I wrong??? Of course nothing is original these days, but stealing is stealing. Simple.
    I am not quite sure what you mean. You are talking about an idea, as in "I was thinking about drawing a forest scene" and later someone posts up excactly this idea. This was not what I was referring to. What I meant was someone getting advice such as "You should re-think your composition, do thumbnails" and the response is "ok thx I'll do that next time" whilst continuing on the current project leading to failure or less desired outcome, even though all the advice they needed, is there.


    Quote Originally Posted by Richi View Post
    And about others pictures. Well, I wouldn't know whether he/she really wants to learn or is just passing time uploading stuff.
    Not everybody is a quick learner and not everybody can learn from others problems.
    Of course not. And that is why I don't have a makro for "piss off, you don't really mean it"- because everyone is treated as hard-working and trying to improve. You will notice that in those threads, where advice is obviously ignored (I do not mean not understood, or applied with difficulty)- I mean blissfully ignored, the work process continues without taking any advice into consideration. Those threads tend to lose a lot of responses rapidly after this becomes clear. I personally don't hold any grudge, I just simply don't respond any more. How much more frustrating must it be for those who actually look back on a solid history of illustration, animation, or fine arts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Richi View Post
    As for me, I don't see any thread not asking serious stuff. Some people may not know what they want from the critiques and may be confused, in that case the reviewer should tell them to be clear instead of taking a grudge for wasting time in the forums.
    The thing is, either this hint is taken as an offense (I am not linking threads here because for the sake of peace and PC, I would rather prefer keeping this general or refer to my personal view) or it is not understood. I find this in my old threads quite a lot. I asked for advice, got it, but I didn't really understand how profound the changes are that I have to make in order to go from A to B. The internet these days, deviantART being right at the front, suggests that learning to draw is a simple, three-step process. If you look at 90% of those "tutorials", you will find that it is always suggested with a certain ease to start fiddling around in Photoshop, apply some colour and the rest is magic. I believed this myself, and found it even more frustrating when I screwed up badly. My wall of text here is illustrated briefly through this:

    How to draw an owl

    The fact that every new person here has to go through the very same step of realizing that drawing is a tough learning process, will ensure that this CC forum will be alive for as long as CA lasts. But frustration (my personal) arises when the same persons after multiple responses, and elaborate responses, carry on like this. I think it is a reasonable sentiment, and I haven't found myself trolling around and being rude to others for what I might have done myself. Merely a sentiment.

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    to be honest, ive yet to see an original idea in the crit section... if you worry about your pictures/ideas beeing stolen...dont post them...anywhere.

    yet i think the hardest lesson (and one reason people are put off often), is that your ideas arent as precious as they might appear to you. your personal and unique take on a nightelf-archer (what an amazing concept), might not have the impact you estimated. eventhough its your first time, weve seen it a thousand of times.

    one thing that (to me) got lost, is that people who are striving to do art for a living, are recognizing that it is hard work to get there.
    "how to improve on that....", yet havent even done their browsing on the forums, which would bring up some answers and more important questions.

    to me it seems that this is all going wrong, because people still seem to think, that something coming for free, has little value and can be treated easily. people fail to recognize that art is a product of effort (even if some prominent pictures carry the impression its not).

    most of the time to me this is like ... a drowning man asking which move to make next, thinking this one (and only this one) move is a fundamental lifesaving action, and they lived happily everafter... yet would never consider learning how to swim...
    I said earlier, nothing is original. And oh...ideas arent precious. Ok, maybe thats why most of them get stolen. Even if they are not original. And please, don't think others will think the same as you think about your ideas.

    Oooh...I would love to see this happening. Then maybe people will understand. What I mean.
    Whatever....I'm just saying what might happen. And if I would have worried over somebody stealing my stuff. I wouldn't have posted them in the internet in the first place. So, yeah GET OVER IT...
    Also, I would advice checking out some of the recent stealing thing over the internet. Anyway, PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE.

    I'm just trying to improve the community. Well, some people don't like that. I think.
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    its good if youre trying to improve the comunity, i just dont think a closed crit section would do that and explained why. the rest been a rant i had to get off my chest and aint been directed at you.
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    Hi guys,

    I loved this LordLouis "The internet these days, deviantART being right at the front, suggests that learning to draw is a simple, three-step process. If you look at 90% of those "tutorials", you will find that it is always suggested with a certain ease to start fiddling around in Photoshop, apply some colour and the rest is magic".

    Your quote above put me in mind of something I saw on a PIXAR Dvd in the extras John Lassiter was asked once what software he used to make the movies funny!! You are damn right mate this is a hard game to get into it soaks up hours of every day and sometimes for no progress, your family question your sanity because youre a grown person and yet you are drawing monsters, pixies and elves.
    Is it just me though or are some people just holding out a hand to the community at large and saying fix it for me, or do me a paintover to show me. Where can I download the magic texture brushes that will do the work for me etc etc. There does seem a reluctance to dig in and work at it at the moment to me. (that'll get the responses in Lol)

    And you are right about some people posting and not taking on board the crits they get, and then churn out more of the same flawed stuff next time
    " But frustration (my personal) arises when the same persons after multiple responses, and elaborate responses, (even paintovers) carry on like this".

    Quite often (in my case especially) you have a brilliant image in your minds eye and you howl with frustration because you cant get it down on paper. There are no shortcuts with this drawing game at all! its just work and repetion and study and then more of the same.

    As for making all this private unless you are a member I disagree most strongly indeed, it was browsing this forum that made me join in the first place, Plus I am guilty of not logging in sometimes and just looking to see what the topics are at the moment
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