Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 13 of 20

Thread: simple illustration of edges

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    919
    Thanks
    99
    Thanked 378 Times in 63 Posts

    simple illustration of edges

    I know it's nothing fancy, but maybe it's helpful to one or two people ;]
    It was made for a friend who was confused about edges

    Comments/expansion-suggestions are welcome!
    Attached Images Attached Images  
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote


  2. Hide this ad by registering as a member
  3. The Following 30 Users Say Thank You to dorian For This Useful Post:

    + Show/Hide list of the thanked


  4. #2
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Philippines
    Posts
    2,925
    Thanks
    410
    Thanked 273 Times in 205 Posts
    Thanks! THis is helpful!

    Lovely painting, by the way. Who did that?
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  5. #3
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Montreal / Canada
    Posts
    417
    Thanks
    325
    Thanked 175 Times in 98 Posts
    >>>Who did that?
    i think artist is Frederich von Amerling
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  6. #4
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    San Francisco
    Posts
    2,794
    Thanks
    372
    Thanked 757 Times in 489 Posts
    I think more people would understand the concept of edges quiker if was called "value gradation" instead, although the word "edges" does hint that it's related to planes half the time... perhaps "gradation of planes"? I suppose "ridges" could also be used. Could use the words "sharp", "dull", "smooth", instead of "hard" etc.
    Just realized that "edges" also calls attention to the fact that pictures are made of shapes. So it seems the first thing to teach is looking for isolated shapes on a flat plane, and then describing the gradations that more or less seperate those shapes.
    Last edited by armando; May 17th, 2008 at 03:45 AM.
    Sketchbook

    "Beliefs are rules for action"
    "Knowledge is proven in action."
    "It's use is it's meaning."
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  7. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to armando For This Useful Post:


  8. #5
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    919
    Thanks
    99
    Thanked 378 Times in 63 Posts
    Very good point armando!

    Value Change = Form Change should be on there!
    And maybe a second one would be good that shows 3D models in three quarter and profile as well as the tone gradation boxes

    Can anyone think of a better way to phrase or explain Value Change Character = Form Change Character? (sudden tone change equals sudden form change, slow tone change slow form change, etc.)


    patdzon: it was indeed Von Amerling
    Quote Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Amerling
    Friedrich von Amerling (April 14, 1803January 14, 1887) was an Austro-Hungarian portrait painter in the court of Franz Josef. He was born in Vienna and was court painter between 1835 and 1880. With Ferdinand Georg Waldmüller he is one of the outstanding Austrian portrait painters of the 19th century.
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  9. The Following User Says Thank You to dorian For This Useful Post:


  10. #6
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Hudson River valley, NY
    Posts
    16,211
    Thanks
    4,879
    Thanked 16,685 Times in 5,022 Posts
    I can't help but feel there's some reinvention of the wheel going on here...

    Tristan Elwell
    **Finished Work Thread **Process Thread **Edges Tutorial

    "Work is more fun than fun."
    -John Cale

    "Art is supposed to punch you in the brain, and it's supposed to stay punched."
    -Marc Maron
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  11. #7
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Hudson River valley, NY
    Posts
    16,211
    Thanks
    4,879
    Thanked 16,685 Times in 5,022 Posts
    Here's a diagrammatic example. The last pair are particularly important, because they illustrate how intertwined edges, values, and contrast are. Sometimes what seems like a value problem is really an edge problem, and vice-versa.

    Attachment 371334

    Tristan Elwell
    **Finished Work Thread **Process Thread **Edges Tutorial

    "Work is more fun than fun."
    -John Cale

    "Art is supposed to punch you in the brain, and it's supposed to stay punched."
    -Marc Maron
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  12. The Following 14 Users Say Thank You to Elwell For This Useful Post:

    + Show/Hide list of the thanked


  13. #8
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    905
    Thanks
    7
    Thanked 43 Times in 31 Posts
    Awesome example Elwell.

    The original picture is a great example of edges, even though the practice and idea of edges is complicated and many different things can change an edge, from blending to just a simple change in value or even the hue of the color.

    Edges aren't just value gradations, as you can have two very sharp edged shapes next to each other with solid blocks of value that are very close to each other and they will have a perceived soft edge even though in reality it could be razor sharp. It's similar to doing a value chart, putting two close value steps next to each other, squinting your eyes, and watching the values blend.

    Also you can have two similar valued colors next to each other with a different hue and blend the edges together and it would make a perceived soft edge of two different values, but it will have no change in actual value if you were to make the painting monochromatic. It's also a handy tool to use if you are trying to conserve values in a painting.
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  14. #9
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Dallas
    Posts
    4,416
    Thanks
    5
    Thanked 644 Times in 301 Posts

    Bottega SoFA

    Dorian,

    How would you like to be a monitor
    at SoFA for our outline workshop.

    Need a realist advocate to balance
    my classical views.

    It currently inclines to much to
    working from memory.

    Would love to have you to take a look
    at it when you get the chance.

    My approach would ideally be
    one third from life, one third from memory
    and one third from time tested
    reference.
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  15. #10
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    96
    Thanks
    66
    Thanked 19 Times in 13 Posts
    Thank you. Great tutorial.

    I saw your stuff today in the angel academy exhibition. Your drawings are really beautiful
    Sorry for my poor english
    My life drawings
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  16. #11
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    919
    Thanks
    99
    Thanked 378 Times in 63 Posts
    Elwell: oh, great thread! Not trying to reinvent the wheel :] That's a really good illustration, too, makes an important point!

    Blackhawk: more good stuff, thanks! Yes I guess one could go really deep with this and it probably has been done to a great extent already - it's probably good to sometimes read the same in different words, though!

    mentler: ahm that flatters me, not sure if I'm qualified! I'll go take a look and let you know!

    baretul: AH! Thanks :] Let's go sketch!! Check your pm!
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  17. #12
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    96
    Thanks
    66
    Thanked 19 Times in 13 Posts
    I tried to send you message that it would be ok to meet up soon and sketch. Althou between the few days when the trimester ends and when i fly to home for the summer, because now I have to work all the evenings and weekends to finnish my second bargue ... But it said that your PM mailbox is full, and it couldnt get trough.

    In the same second that I put the send button my mom called me that my brother is propably coming over for the last 4 days. So my time here is now totally booked full ...

    But can I pm you on fall? I would love to sketch for a while.
    Sorry for my poor english
    My life drawings
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

  18. #13
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Posts
    919
    Thanks
    99
    Thanked 378 Times in 63 Posts
    oops! opened up inbox! check pm :]
    Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. edges
    By Reptile in forum PAINTER
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: September 29th, 2011, 02:30 PM
  2. Soft edges and hard edges
    By PeteJ in forum ART DlSCUSSION
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: October 1st, 2010, 10:54 PM
  3. edges!
    By LRomel in forum ART CRITIQUE CENTER
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: February 22nd, 2010, 01:53 AM

Members who have read this thread: 27

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
  • 424,149 Artists
  • 3,599,276 Artist Posts
  • 32,941 Sketchbooks
  • 54 New Art Jobs
Art Workshop Discount Inside

Developed Actively by vBSocial.com
SpringOfSea's Sketchbook