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    Have you worked with Paint tool SAI?

    It seems its a very nice tool, there are some videos in youtube of people using it and it has some pretty nice functions, do you have experience with it?, is it worth it?, is it better than artWeaver or artRage?, im interested in low budget software, thats why i am asking, i thing Sai costs 50usd?, like 5000 japanese yen i think, is that correct?.

    Heres the link to it.
    http://systemax.jp/en/sai/

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    It seems like it'll get the job done mostly. It's $50.38 USD (to be exact)

    One of the big things I noticed immediately is its brush tool isn't nearly as comprehensive as photoshop's.

    It does let you rotate the canvas in real time, which is nice.

    I could think of worse things to spend $50 on. Download the trial and see how you like it. It gives you 30 days.

    Please note I only messed around with it for 10 minutes or so.

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    Yeah I use it as my main program now-a-days, I couldn't stand what Corel been doing to Painter so I moved on and bought SAI, you can see it as a lite version of Painter but minus the random crashes and file corruption.




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    any links to galleries, or examples? i wasn't able to find any at the above links.

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    I used the trial version whenever I had to make lineart on the computer. SAI doesn't have many options or tools as say PS, but the ones it has are very easy to use and well done.
    The lines always come out very crisp and smooth, much better than Photoshop in that aspect.

    This is a gallery of things made in SAI, from the English fansite(?).

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    In terms of what you can do with custom brushes and whatnot:




    You can download the trial and try it yourself, the default brushes and textures are pretty basic, if you take the time to make your own you can do much more with this cool little program.

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    I tried the Trial version, pretty good so far, like a light Painter, good for linearts.

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    I've been using it since ages, it's awesome actually. It has this stabilizer feature that makes your lines literally stable, perfect for outlining like FlenG said.
    Then there's the watercolor-like resaturation and foundation settings, which make color blending incredible fun, and unlike Photoshop, it doesn't make your colors grey.
    And, more awesome than that, rotatable and (!) flippable view, which means, you can flip without having to wait for it and you can do strokes, then flip and undo them without undoing the mirroring. Awesome.

    I did a tutorial on how to use it a while back -> http://algenpfleger.deviantart.com/a...orial-67196095

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    I tried this demo version and I must say it's the fastest digital painting program I used so far. It works even smoother on my computer than openCanvas . Really cool ink brush and color palette. I think it's complicated enough to do pretty advanced stuff. If I could switch from PS to other program, that would be it.

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    (guess grave digging isn't an issue on ca?)

    HAELP: (SOLVED, wasn't a bug)
    I'm wanting to switch to it for a while (and even own it for a while :/) but one thing is hindering me: the eraser function (not the tool) turns up as rect marque :/
    I don't flip the digitizer but I have the eraser function on a side button which makes life so much easier for line drawing...

    does this happen for anyone else??

    EDIT: damn I'm stupid. The eraser mode can actually select any tool and I had had it select the rect marque tool as opposed to my desired eraser tool x) really neet versatility!
    using vector layers now and loving it.. hoping he will implement free transform of vector as well as pixel layers :3

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    Another vote for SAI here.

    Great program. Runs lightly, brushes are simple but work nicely and line work is much smoother than Photoshop.

    EDIT: *sees date* OH NO!!! WHAT HAVE I DONE?!?!?!?!?!

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    its absolutely fantastic. ive been using it for the past 6 months or so. the watercolor tool is blindingly fast at value block ins, and the acrylic brush is what ive been using to do the linework in my graphic novel thing. its similar to painter in certain aspects, but stripped down to just what you need to paint.

    i started in painter, then switched entirely to ps in like late 2004...but i missed certain brushes and blenders that were in painter. this filled the hole perfectly.

    in six months i havent lost work in it once.

    i can't speak highly enough about this great product.

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    I try SAI in the past 2 weeks and absolutely in love with it.

    Can't believe that I've been using Painter to do digital inking although now after PS CS4 got released I drop Painter and ink directly in PS.

    SAI crisp and smooth brush system really fill the void that makes me love Painter scratchboard brush. Bonus part it uses so little memory and loads instantly on my system. The file browser can generate thumbnails on the fly and I've never seen SAI crash yet.

    Like el coro said, it is like Painter with stripped down features that focuses more on the painting aspects. Only gripe with the app is there is now way to display transparency as checkerpattern and it is only showing it as white. Still there is Photoshop to remedy it.

    Lastly there is this feature that is hardly mentioned in most blog or site that features SAI, the awesome vector inking tool. It is bloody intuitive and much more easier to use compared to Illustrator. No wonder lots of Japanese artist loves this program a lot for doing linework.

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    Alright, so... Been messing with it on and off for a bit and I still couldn't get it to work and nothing I googled turned up anything so I have to ask the stupid question. Does anyone know how to set opacity to pen pressure?


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    Quote Originally Posted by FranciscoShreds View Post
    Alright, so... Been messing with it on and off for a bit and I still couldn't get it to work and nothing I googled turned up anything so I have to ask the stupid question. Does anyone know how to set opacity to pen pressure?
    In the advanced settings of the brush there's those checkboxes

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    SAI's a really great program, for those who don't have either the memory or the money to pay for PS/Painter.

    Most programs like SAI are surprisingly good, they just aren't as well know as the big name, big money programs like Adobe PS, Illustrator, etc.

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    I think its awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by algenpfleger View Post
    In the advanced settings of the brush there's those checkboxes
    Yeah, those are the ones I've tried to mess with but they don't actually affect anything. Only thing that changes is that when they're unchecked their settings get grayed out. Some of the settings work like hardness>softness but the stuff dealing with pressure doesn't. I'm using an intuos 4 and the trial version of sai if that changes anything.

    Edit: So the pressure sensitivity works in Win7 but not in XP I prolly screwed something on the install. Anyways, fun stuff. definitely thinking about buying it.

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    I really love the trial so far, but one thing I can't seem to find is the ability to draw perfect horizontals and verticals. Anyone have advice on the subject?

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    I downloaded this a while ago, but never installed it. I took everyones advice and... WOW... it's a great little program! Runs light... I haven't noticed any slowdowns or crashes. It's really focused on painting which is great. This might replace 90% of my photoshop painting.


    I'm having lots of fun playing around with this, thanks all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylogram View Post
    I really love the trial so far, but one thing I can't seem to find is the ability to draw perfect horizontals and verticals. Anyone have advice on the subject?
    Unfortunately there isn't any way, I just use a grid brush and the vector inking line tool, it does the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portus View Post
    In terms of what you can do with custom brushes and whatnot:

    http://www.vulomedia.com/images/96459New_Canvas.jpg

    You can download the trial and try it yourself, the default brushes and textures are pretty basic, if you take the time to make your own you can do much more with this cool little program.
    how did you get that watercolor with the nice edges in the bottom right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylogram View Post
    how did you get that watercolor with the nice edges in the bottom right?
    It's the watercolor Fringe effect, I used a Marker and a Watercolor brush with custom textures that were tilable with Gimp's texturizer. You can also set a key to switch to transparency, basically you can mix color and transparency which is useful to mimic clean water in watercolors. This last part probably didn't make any sense so just look under colors on the keyboard shortcuts.




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    Wink Also admiring Portus' watercolor brushes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Portus View Post
    I used a Marker and a Watercolor brush with custom textures that were tilable with Gimp's texturizer.
    Okay, so, I get everything else, but could you please go into a little more depth about how/with what you created this texture?

    I've already got Gimp, I understand how to tile using Gimp, but please put this all together for me so that I understand. Any help would be appreciated

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    I use it with "texturize" plugin and "make seamless", this two plugins make Gimp worth having if you can bypass the dreadful UI.

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    I think its really great for some things, like its pen tool doesn't jitter like in photoshop at a long distance zoomed out.

    I did these lines with SAI, zoomed out (where as in photoshop I have to zoom to 200% to get smooth lines)

    http://o-mie.deviantart.com/art/Saia-Lineart-126060205

    I really like it for the lines, but I still prefer to paint and all in photoshop, BUT, for its worth, i think its worth it, definitely, especially if you are low budget.

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    hmm pressure doesnt seemt o be working verry well for me wiht it , seems like i tryed this befor and had same problum
    , its liek 3 levles of pressure sensitivity , any one know how to get full range ? using intuos 3 , windows xp>

    edit hmm i closed it and reopend it to see if it would help lol but now it doesnt recognize the tablet at all , but tablet works fine any place else

    any suggestions ?

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    Open misc.ini which is in the program's folder, then set TabletMouseSimulation to 1 and see if it fixes your issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portus View Post
    Open misc.ini which is in the program's folder, then set TabletMouseSimulation to 1 and see if it fixes your issue.
    I'm also having trouble with pressure sensitivity, changing the TalbetMouseSimulation, unfortuanately, didn't resolve the issue...

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    I downloaded the trial and played around with it. Not for me, but I can certainly see why people would like it.

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