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    I just want to say I love Concept Art and the the appreciate all the work that you mods put out for the folks here. It's a wonderful site!
    I'm learning tons. and CHOW and other "contest" are too cool
    and the entries are inspiration to us wannabes.
    ...now for the but.
    Chow #125 is a HORRIBLE concept for a challenge.
    IMO.
    I can understand it being a real assignment for a magazine or something. But the spirit of this forum, seems to me to be, FUN SF fantasy, kind of irreverent at times and definitely many have a darker bent, but... A child sacrifice?! or "the tears before the sacrifice" that seems (IMO) just bad taste, to say the least folks.

    I'm not a griper
    but I had to get that said.

    I have to agree with the SNL Church Lady on this one "Where did this idea come from? Satan!?!"
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    I didn't take part in CHOW 125 because I can't bear the thought of a child being hurt, and to do justice to the subject I would have to have gone into a dark place where I don't want to set foot.

    But, you know what? That's a bit hypocritical of me. Bad things happen to good people all the time,- children included, and it comes from mankind.

    I've done some research on Sheherezade today. There are echoes of the story in the Book of Esther, which has some of the most lyrical language in the Bible; it reads like a song.

    I googled Persian Women, and came across stories about Iranian women and their struggle for equality. The images are disturbing to say the least. Satan's name comes from Sheytan, a class of Jinn. Mankind seems to exceed any Sheytan in demonic possibilities......

    Anyway; if I was a professional and my AD asked for a pic of sacrifice, I'd just have to put my squeamishness aside. Life isn't all fairies and rainbows, sadly.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by revelarts View Post
    I just want to say I love Concept Art and the the appreciate all the work that you mods put out for the folks here. It's a wonderful site!
    I'm learning tons. and CHOW and other "contest" are too cool
    and the entries are inspiration to us wannabes.
    ...now for the but.
    Chow #125 is a HORRIBLE concept for a challenge.
    IMO.
    I can understand it being a real assignment for a magazine or something. But the spirit of this forum, seems to me to be, FUN SF fantasy, kind of irreverent at times and definitely many have a darker bent, but... A child sacrifice?! or "the tears before the sacrifice" that seems (IMO) just bad taste, to say the least folks.

    I'm not a griper
    but I had to get that said.

    I have to agree with the SNL Church Lady on this one "Where did this idea come from? Satan!?!"
    revelarts, Thanks for your opinions, they are appreciated.

    Chow can be hit or miss at times with topics. The idea developed out of wanting to explore the Meso-American cultures some, which were historically some of the most brutal that I am personally aware.

    I do not apologize for the topic selections, for two primary reasons - I have been asked to do illustrations of all kinds over the years. As a freelancer, you always have the right to pass on a project, and CHOW is no different.

    And subject wise, it is was a historical topic based on the fact that children were sacrificed, on a regular basis, in not only Meso-American cultures, but the world over. Simply because a topic is uncomfortable does not mean that it is condoned - often quite the opposite. I am a father of two children, so I completely understand the parental pang when thinking about how someone could give their child over to be sacrificed. However, I will not turn away from something merely because it is uncomfortable, especially when it is a historical topic. Had this been a fantasy or science fiction topic, I would be more inclined to say that it was in poor taste. However, in my opinion, this provides us as artists an opportunity to explore something that we otherwise would not. The movie Schindler's List was an uncomfortable topic, but I do not consider it in poor taste. I hope that people participating in CHOW can understand the similarity.

    And finally, it was specified at the beginning of the topic that there was to be no gore and that the character was to be shown prior to sacrifice. We felt that that would have been over the top and against the spirit of this particular round, and CHOW itself to handle it any other way. We wanted it understood right from the start that this was to be handled with some decorum and tact, and I think that was done by everyone that took part.

    CHOW is about character exploration. Sometimes this means exploring the situation and the reaction that the character may have in those situations, and portraying it convincingly. And, sometimes, CHOW is about exploring our own character, and finding out what we're ultimately comfortable with, and how well we in turn handle those topics.

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    agree with your post Oregano, exept for this:

    "The idea developed out of wanting to explore the Meso-American cultures some, which were historically some of the most brutal that I am personally aware."

    is not my intention to start an historical/culture debate, but: definitly meso americans cultures were not the most brutal not in that time and not trough human history. sacrifice were part of them yes, but also a lot of "civilized" behavior and traditions as well science. but in any case a topic can be hard and real...in my opinion that add variety and richnes to chow challenges.
    once in awhile is good to have historical and or literary characters.

    thanks to the mods of this part of the forum, great work indeed.

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    =D Not to change the subject or anything but I thought I'd put in a nice little two cents. I've only gotten the pleasure to attempt two of the CHOWS as of yet, but I'm very happy with the decision to make more cuts and take it to the next level.

    Seeing myself not succeed really kicked me into my senses and I'm happy for it! I've struggled a bit since coming here, I was very defensive at first, and now because of the CHOW's and growing in the interest of my fellow artists I'm more open and humble.

    =D Keep doing what you're doing!! It can only get better from here without people underestimating something meant to challenge their artistic abilities!

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    my two cents

    personally I think it was well handled by the mods and the entries it wasn't the most fun assignment I have done, there was a level of darkness involved,

    but it makes people think.. question our history question or provoke certain emotions we would rather not face- isn't that what art is suppose to do.

    Isn't a topic like that better than say bloody thirsty warrior queen because its not a glorification of violence rather an exploration and examination of a dark part of our human nature.
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    I'm more comfortable in dark subjects, all these flowery ones are really pushing me! I liked the aztec one and I really want to keep participating in as many as I can to develop more knowledge of broad and different subjects I hadn't felt inclined towards.

    Thanks to the organisers for putting in this effort as it's a great learning experience and, I actually hope for a few more dark subjects.

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    Personally I feel a chow like #125 (the Maya Boy) is too specific, that is to say there is only so much you can do with it. this kind of topics tend to go more towards illustration than actual character design.

    Im sure this can be contradicted etc, but a maya outfit is a maya outfit. A space suit on the other hand or better yet a alien bounty hunter can be just about anything, and personally I think that's the joy of a open ended subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikuru View Post
    Personally I feel a chow like #125 (the Maya Boy) is too specific, that is to say there is only so much you can do with it. this kind of topics tend to go more towards illustration than actual character design.

    Im sure this can be contradicted etc, but a maya outfit is a maya outfit. A space suit on the other hand or better yet a alien bounty hunter can be just about anything, and personally I think that's the joy of a open ended subject.

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    I'd have to disagree with you there. We know so little about mayan culture that there's plenty of room to wander around in.

    Also, fashion is always diverse, no matter what time period or place - for example, imagine someone asking for "an american 1700-2008 outfit". You'd have a little trouble, right? Civilizations like the maya didn't just pop into being and disappear within one fashion decade!

    We tend to think of those things as limited because our resources are limited, but that's what imagination is for! You can be sure that every piece of clothing the Egyptians wore didn't turn up in the hieroglyphs - why assume differently for the mayans?

    Character isn't just about what the character is wearing, either. Faces, builds, attitude, emotion - all these things are part of it too! If CHOW was only about clothing, we'd just go ahead and call it Fashion Design of the Week.

    I suppose this is where people get confused with illustration, because an illustration requires all those things too - but a good character design needs them as well! in an activity like this, where we only have *one* image to get the character across, this sometimes ends up in illustration, because it's the best way to get everything across. If we had a whole game, animation, or tv show to get the character across, things might turn out a little differently!

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    Hey guys!

    Just thought that I should probably mention that I'm going to be scarce around here over the next week, and probably a couple weeks after that (if not for the whole 2.5 months!)

    I graduate tomorrow (aaaggghhh) and then on Sunday I will be leaving for New Zealand.

    Oreg is going to have double the work for him next week, so I expect you all to behave.

    See you around!

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    Congratulations and have fun!

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    Thanks Chaos, I'll keep that in mind.

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