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Thread: Cal Arts: Why do people Hate it?
April 10th, 2008 #1
Cal Arts: Why do people Hate it?
Okay, so recently I made it into Cal Arts.
Now, just to tell you a little bit about the school....it's a REALLY good school. People like Tim Burton and the creator of the Powerpuff Girls both graduated from the school.
I recently made it into the Character Animation program...which isn't very easy. just to give you an idea....most of the people that apply there DON'T get in until they've already completed other art school (so a good chunk of the students are like...25). This year, 300 people applied and 45 made it in. 45 is a LITTLE more than they usually accept...which is around...30ish.
Anywho, before my actual application to Cal Arts, I'd mention it to people and they'd be like "OH, you're going to Cal Arts? What a WASTE of talent, you should go to the ART CENTER. puh!".
Which like...made me want to smack em across the face because....I've been trying for Cal Arts since I was in the 5th grade.... So it means a lot to me.
Apparently, that negative sentiment isn't uncommon. ON another art forum, I mentioned that I got accepted to the school. They told me that a lot of people hate Cal Arts-especially the animators and that all they ever do over there is pump out "expressive slick shit".
So this all got me to thinking... obviously there's SOME sort of negativity in the air about Cal Arts that I'm just not missing. Most people that I've spoken to about CalArts, say that it's a great school. It's one of the only schools in america that still teaches traditional animation and everything.
So if you know anything about Cal Arts, why is there so much negativity about it?
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Well I've heard the same for the Art Institute as well.
I can't really say other than for the fact is that a lot of artists I've met are self-taught. Now, I am not saying that pursuing a higher degree is bad at all. However, there are a lot of artists that are thinking that they can teach themselves and why waste the money and get stagnated into a college. This is what I get from some of the artists that scorn school in general.
Another bit of it is that sometimes they hear of bad experiences as well as experiencing those personally. Perhaps they were at an Art Institute, Cal Arts, etc of which the cirriculum or the faculty wasn't nice to them, whatever. I honestly don't know, but being around artists, that's the range I get.
However, I don't care to say that artists that don't go into a college are jerks either, it just didn't work for them and I do understand that some people get locked in the ivory tower of academia and therefore die creatively and that could add to the aversion towards schools.
Honestly, I've found whatever you do in life it is what you choose, regardless of education or not. I've found wonderful artists both college-educated or not do great work, as I've found others that do crap. It's what you do with it really and as long as you have the lifelong commitment and drive, I don't think you'll go bad.
Just concentrate on yourself with that Art Degree. I think it's great you got accepted. Make the most of it, as like any opportunity. Unfortunately, you will always run into people that will look down their noses and go, "Well, you've got a long way to go." So what? We all do in some ways whether we're technically brilliant to creatively limited or all spans in between.
Again, go for it, cut out the negativity. Focus on your own stuff. You'll be happier and saner for it. It's not that you shouldn't ever listen to input, but don't take it personally.
"I like doing stuff that interests me. What is it? Just anything that is new and different to old and traditional. There has to be an interesting aspect to things, but not same old run of the mill. There, I've told you everything, and it denotes nothing. Basically, give it a try. Give it a go. At least once. You know you want to. "
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April 11th, 2008 #5
I've never really heard any negativity about CalArts. It's a great institution, and there is some very real talent coming out. Check out the blog of Lorelay Bove--http://lorelaybove.blogspot.com. She just graduated a year or two ago, and she's been featured on the character design blog, works in Disney's visdev department, and has been commissioned by Disney to do a Toy Story storybook. I don't even need to mention the classic talent that has come out of the school.
However, the industry has changed. There may or may not be a return of traditional animation, but as things are now, there is little to no market for the medium in film. Animation is animation--it doesn't matter if you learn it with a pencil or with an expensive computer program. Even still, if you look at ratings for animation schools, CalArts is no longer at the top. There are other schools teaching 3D that have surpassed it. Historically, CalArts is very great. Currently, IMO, there are better places to become an animator.
April 11th, 2008 #6
Well I think that there will be a revival, I really do. LOL. People miss it too much and I believe that the demand for it will be there in a few years.
The stuff that I see come out of other schools as far as 3D stuff is just....not as great as the traditional stuff I see come out of Cal Arts every year. And I'm not just saying that because that's the school I'm going to. lol. I mean, really a lot of the stuff I've seen from other schools just doesn't compare. And it's not the medium at all, it's the story telling and the overall aesthetic to the whole thing.
From the people I've talked to about the whole 3D vs. 2D animation thing, a good amount of them have said that generally the people that go from 2D to 3D are better than the people that go from 3D to 2D-and not only that, but the people that learn 2D know more about animation than the people that do 3D. A lot of what I've heard about 3D animators is that, in most cases and in a lot of movies, the majority of the people working on the movies aren't artists, but more technical people and yaddah yadddah yaddah.
I don't know MUCH about the business so I could be wrong and of course all I can go off of is the opinions of others, lol.
Always breaks my heart when people bad mouth a school I've given a lot of effort into getting in. DX
Specially when they say that Cal Arts kids don't have any drawing skills at all.
April 11th, 2008 #7I recently made it into the Character Animation program...which isn't very easy. just to give you an idea....most of the people that apply there DON'T get in until they've already completed other art school (so a good chunk of the students are like...25). This year, 300 people applied and 45 made it in. 45 is a LITTLE more than they usually accept...which is around...30ish.
I think people that treat CalArts with contempt is because they think 'cartoons' is beneath them.....and yet they'll worship people like Mark Ryden and Jeff Soto?....da wah?
I just dislike Cal Arts and Art Center because I hate that $ 100,000 tuition. It seems like a lot of money just to do some social climbing.
I don't believe Art Center and Cal Arts are teaching some sort of alchemy.
I like to think there's more to being an artist then just being a social butterfly?
Eh, maybe there isn't.
However, I've been told that CalArts is becoming less traditional in their art program and more expressive......that's the exact same thing people complain about the UC State College System about.
April 11th, 2008 #8
Well the thing is that a lot of people that go to cal arts get CRAZY good connections... and that's why most people go there. LOL. Though I"m NOT sure if that's like...worth being in debt for the rest of your life.
I think Cal Arts is just a great place to get connections and when you're a film maker, your connections are mega mega important. Not only that but Cal Arts is one of those schools that really almost enforces you to interact with non-animation-like courses like Music Comp and Dance.
I think that it is that whole "ew, cartoons" attitude. One of my friend's father (who's a super asian dad that wants his kid to go to a UC school and be super wonderful world commander number one) scolded me for wanting to go to school for animation and said it was a "waste of time and money". I will say that people that usually said "ew, cal arts" were people that wanted to go to the Art Center and major in illustration. Which is heavily ironic because it's NOT like the stuff they do over there isn't just a hop skip and jump away from animation at all.
I can see that Cal Arts may be turning in a different direction that it has in the past. They're still like HEAVILY 2D animation all the way, but I can't help but feel that sometimes that 41k isn't worth it.
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Most good animators - and directors- will tell you that life drawing with an emphasis on gesture, form and weight, and classical animation training are necessary prerequisites for 999 out of 1000 people trying to become 3D animators. That is, if animation matters to us as an art form.
April 11th, 2008 #10
April 11th, 2008 #11Originally Posted by ArmourFonce
Other things that you should know are that, like Maxine said, any successful 3D program does teach the traditional basics. For example, I go to Ringling, and while the school is renowned for its CG program, I still have to take 2 full semesters of traditional animation. Also, figure drawing is important for anyone interested in animation (2D or 3D), and if there is a program out there that does not include a lot of it, it probably is not very successful. CalArts is also not the only school that has strong industry ties. Ringling, SCAD, and Academy of Art, and a number of other programs are highly recognized by recruiters. I know that the mantra of this forum is, "it doesn't matter where you go to school as long as you work really hard." This is true to some effect, but there is certainly something to be said for the connections you obtain through your school.
April 11th, 2008 #12
Here's an entrance portfolio to Cal Arts:
Here's an entrance portfolio to Art Center:
You'd think they'd go crazy over my portfolio....but I get the feeling they
want my money.
Personally, I think it would be harder to get into the Conceptart.org Atelier.
April 11th, 2008 #13