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March 14th, 2008 #1
Middle-Eastern Fantasy (Very, very minor nudity)
Hey everyone, not posted much work on here before, but I figured I'd see what everyone's opinions on this work are. While I've put in about as much work as I can in the time-frame and I consider them finished, I'd still love some advice on what problems to be aware of next time.
The rough brief I set myself was to create a group of characters for a potential game based in a mid-1800's Middle-Eastern country. It would be a fantasy world with magic/demons etc, but grounded in reality. While I hesitate to use the term steampunk, there are some elements that could probably be classed as this!
Oh, it's for my final year Games Art degree, the quality's a bit low, but unfortunately there's really not much "art" in my degree ()
Its, done in watercolours and copic mulitliners on 90lb paper, then adjusted in Photoshop. A3 Size.
Last edited by pocko; March 14th, 2008 at 06:52 AM. Reason: wrong info
Hide this ad by registering as a memberMarch 14th, 2008 #2
Nice work man! Rearly seen such sence of measure. You should search for some book illustration job.
March 14th, 2008 #3
thanks, it's nice to know i'm heading in just about the right direction
March 16th, 2008 #4
Your skills are going to need a lot of work if you want to actually get good jobs in the real world. All of your characters are stiff, flat, and anatomically incorrect.
Even though the anatomy on the figures is competent, it's very basic. Each character has formless limbs with no sense of volume. I think you need to take a lot of time going to figure drawing classes or drawing from photos (though try to get life drawing in there somehow) and learn about FORM and PLANES. Andrew Loomis' books are good for that, especially 'drawing the head and hands' You can get them here
You're just starting your journey, and I'd focus on practice rather than production: do a lot of studies and pieces that will help you improve (colouring, drawing from life, perspective practice etc) rather than finished personal projects.
Just remember that anyone can do it with enough hard work
March 17th, 2008 #5
lol its hard not to get defensive about your babies isnt it? but hey, im here to learn.
thanks jason, i really need to get some life drawing done dont i? its frustrating not having the skills to fully realise the images in my head. i suppose while i should be drawing more in my spare time, its irritating going into a degree that is so focused on finished products, rather than gaining new skills.
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March 18th, 2008 #7
I think that these show a nice use of color and good conceptual thinking but I agree that a more thorough knowledge of anatomy and clothing is needed.
March 18th, 2008 #8
i have to disagree with jason. as a graphic designer that has hired several illustrators, we always search for particular styles and not necessarily rendering/drawing skills. your drawings have a very nice illustrative quality and a strong graphic look. i can imagine a very chic coffee shop with some of your graphics on the walls where realistically rendered characters might just be tasteless.
March 18th, 2008 #9
The same thing goes for what you draw. If all you draw is heroes and no enviros, you'll be stuck only getting the hero/character jobs. Even if I was looking for a style similar to this, pocko's stuff shows a defenite lack of sophistication and artistic experience that would put me off (no offense pocko)
Study realism but produce what you want.
March 18th, 2008 #10
realism is not sophisticated because anyone and everyone understands it and recognizes it. there are sophisticated methods of creating realism like representing only light, or only edges or never using black - that takes artistic knowledge to recognize, but realism itself is not sophisticated.
March 18th, 2008 #11
Second, you're drawing these ideas from his art that were never meant to be inferred; they're flat coloured without light, from full frontal view or 3/4 with regards to the faces, not because he chose so, but because he doesn't yet have the skills to produce things that have form or correct anatomy. The iron worker illustration has a chest that looks like it's 2 inches thick whereas the rest is trying to have form. This isn't a flat treatment in a middle eastern style since it's not consistent or convincing.
You're essentially giving the ultimate deviantart copout, "It's his style."
Pocko - you develop whatever style you want, but always study realism as it carries with it the underlying principles of all art. You need to know the rules before you break them.
March 18th, 2008 #12
yes i drew ideas and comparisons from his art that he probably did not intend and looking at the rest of his work i can almost say this is how he pretty much draws all the time but i think it's also successful. i also think he has a clear understanding of the human body, he just has trouble representing it in a naturally manner, but the symbolism he uses to represent what he knows is very clear and accidentally adequate.
overall he has lots to improve in many areas of drawing, but as far as these pieces go i would push towards stylizing them further.
March 18th, 2008 #13
As for what is Jason is saying I would have to agree with him in some degree especially when it comes to a point in time when you have to switch styles, looks, or themes in a moment's notice. It is very rare that one can be a success as a one trick pony.
Now in Pocko's defense he did say this was for a video game and had stated that there isn't much art in the degree he is attempting to acquire. He also said that this was a basis and never mentioned that this was the final concept look for the characters of his game. Also just directly looking at the art that he has shown I haven't really seen his other art or I suspect that many others have, so who is to say that he has or does not have the skill.
Imagination is not a total internal power but rather it is a reflection and multi-faceted projection of our experiences and knowledge. We take in information from the world around us and intuitively re-order it into something new. Something is not created from nothing but simply transformed from what was before.
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