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February 10th, 2008 #1
Knowledge and Imagination
Something I've noticed is that knowledge destroys imagination. The more you know, the less there is to question. The more you know about something, less you can play with it, and the experience of that moment and activity in combination with the object you're playing with diminishes. You know the feeling, surely? Maybe when you first found this site, there was a feeling. Or when you started playing a game of some sort?
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Knowledge destroys the mystery of those things that can be "solved". But there are many many many things that will remain unknowable forever.
These are the universal themes of art. Love, death, life, the future, the past, adventure, conflict, emotions, the supernatural, etc.
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February 10th, 2008 #3
Yeah. It kind of tells us that life is full of puzzles. Have fun with them!
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February 10th, 2008 #6
As the others have said, this idea of yours is total rubbish.Sketchbook
"Beliefs are rules for action"
"Knowledge is proven in action."
"It's use is it's meaning."
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I was much less creative when I knew nothing.
Fear kills imagination.SSG 37
February 10th, 2008 #8
Now that I think about it, yes. I find them both to be the case.
But anyway, thanks for putting your rejection of an idea across in such a rude manner.
February 10th, 2008 #9
You see rude, we see honest.
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February 10th, 2008 #11
at least follow it through lol. Argue your point even if you think your wrong you must have some reason for feeling this way.
I do understand what you are trying to get at but your not really hitting the nail you could say. When your are learning about art one thing you should keep in mind is that you are just looking at other peoples points of views, how people reach the goal they want to reach in there work. if you are talking about making things look real and learning about things like perspective etc. You should use this knowledge you have acquired as guidelines not as rules. Its great to find out "rules" like ones in perspective and see how far you can bend them. An opportunity to be creative which you wouldnt have if you didnt know the rules? Art is not about right and wrong its about what you feel is right.
Peace keep at it
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February 10th, 2008 #12
Perhaps I just need to explain further. I can see that my first post was too quick and didn't leave a balance.
I thought about this after exploring some of the water in Shadow of the Colossus. It's done in a way that gives the impression it's endless, with deep water noises and blackness. This fascinates me, so I explore it more often and wonder how deep it is.
I started looking at the edges of the rock/ground, how they submerge into the water, looking at them as they descend to see how deep it is. I noticed that with a couple of bodies of water, the edges stop descending diagonally at some point, so that is probably the bottom. Now that I know this, I can't think about them as playfully as I did.
On the other hand, without any knowledge what-so-ever, it's not possible to question either, is it? And sometimes, a new piece of knowledge is riddled with all its own puzzles that open so many more doors.
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February 10th, 2008 #13
I can remember one art class in particular where the teacher was practically tearing her hair out, because she had an otherwise talented student who scoffed at the idea of learning any art history at all. "I don't need it! MY style is absolutely original!" To which the teacher, grinding her teeth, responded, "But how will you know that? If you have no idea what your influences are -- and unless you've grown up in a sterile 10x10 room with no entertainment your whole life you DO have influences -- how will you change them? Defy them? Make them your own?"
In point of fact, this girl's "style" was a combination of manga and Art Nouveau (mostly Mucha) and there was nothing original about it at all -- but she did not understand or seemingly want to understand that. Her ignorance certainly did not make her more imaginative or inspired than her fellows -- it handicapped her in the worst way.
And don't even get me started on the number of beginning art students who have tried to argue to me that they didn't NEED to know anatomy because their "style" calls for a particular kind of distortion -- even though it was clearly evident from their work that they would have benefited greatly from the knowledge of what the rules of anatomy were before they made their caricatures.
The more I know, the more I know I need to learn. The more I know, the more vistas open up to me, the more I see that beyond that horizon is another, more tantalizing distance beckoning. What I know now is that I will never know enough, and where in my youth that was frustration, now it the most exciting kind of wonder.It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
February 10th, 2008 #14
I think what you're arguing max is that things are less mysterious and magical when you know more about them.
Which I agree with. Christmas wasn't the same after santa clause left, and life doesn't feel mysterious or magical now that I don't believe in god.
that's not quite the same as saying that because we know more, we cannot create more. Having more knowledge helps creativity rather than hinders it. If you know very little and it all feels so magical, you won't knwo the REASON why it feels magical in the first place, and will never be able to reproduce that feeling in your art.
To be more literal, the more things I know about history and culture, the more I can mesh certain cultures, the more I can identify what cultural style is most befitting of a certian region etc. The more I know about muscles, the better I can create my own for some odd creatures. The more I know about landscapes the better I can create unique rock formation out of my ass.
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