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    Lord Magnus WIP

    Okay, this is something new. Trying for something a bit smaller scale this time around. Just a simple face, of an older man. Hoping to get come critiques earlier on, so as not repeat the disaster of some of my previous works.

    I am also experimenting with documentation, trying to show it at different phases, which will hopefully be able to give better insight into the process I go through.

    Unfortunately I lost stage 1, but here are 2 and 3, in that order.

    Rip this thing apart ladies and gentlemen (as if I need to tell you).

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    I think the thing that really stands out first as odd is the nose. It looks like it would if you were looking at him straight-on, while the rest of his face is turned. His beard looks like it was pasted onto his face. maybe try to show how it grows out of the skin at the edges, rather than have it all rounded. The hairline isn't even all the way across his head. His right half is receding more than his left half. I think you can have a cool looking dude, keep posting your progress, it's fun to see.
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    nose, eyes (looks like MS paint) and the beard... just take that... ehem... nose and grab onto it... and yank it straight... Then, do a study on eyes... then as 'Naastika' said, make the beard look as if it is growing from the skin...

    P.S. What is the story behind this pic?
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    Another thing concerning the beard. I think you should look at some reference and fix his lower lip. It looks rather small. But before that, look at your eyes in the mirror, photos of eyes etc. and compare them to what you've drawn and improve it.
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    Hey Dread!

    Good stuff so far. I think everyone has pointed out a few prominent things so I will not repeat them. I think you have a good grasp of concept it is simply execution. I think the major issue is how things are lining up. if you drew a line down the center of his face from his brow to his chin his face is skewed slightly. His whole face is shifting right and its causing that look of awkwardness. Proportionality I don't think its too bad. The others before me have pointed out the eyes but have not explained why...well I will. The eyes seem like they are overlapping the face. Its like you drew them on a layer on top of the face. The thick jagged edges and lack of an upper lid is causing this. Luckily its an easy fix . Another easy fix is the hair and eyebrows. Normally hair has very soft edges. A good way to go is to blur and blend the ends into the kin so it looks like the mass is growing out from the form and not just simply laying on top of it. All of these are simple mistakes that we all can make form time to time so don't worry. I think Your main issue in this piece is edges and planes with your lighting. Some edges are too hard when they should be soft (like his temple), and some are so loose when they should be tight (like his nose.) Give your forms a definite surface and just think to yourself, is this part hard or soft? Round or angled? Always ask questions of your art and you will find you can solve a lot of your problems by yourself ^^.

    Here are two paint overs I compiled for you. The first showing some proportion and structure issues, and the second is a little more painterly to show edges and lighting with some adjustments tot he eye, hair lines, and structure.

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    I hope you find these helpful. If not don;t worry sometimes I think I am a total hack XD. I love the direction your going in and eagerly await to see your progress. Keep us posted!

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    Thanks for the great critiques guys! This is really what I need so get my direction down! And so positive too, that is a welcome thing as well.

    I am working on incorporating all of those things, but most of all I am focusing on the eyes right now. Here is a render of it so far.

    The eyes are always that hardest part to get, but you guys are really helping. I will hopefully have a full render later.

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    That is like 3000% better Dread. Just remember that the eye lids have a bit of thickness to them as well. true they do crumple up, but they are still covering over the eye which is a spherical object. Your crease should end up a bit farther from the origin to show the shape of the eyeball underneath.
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    Okay, i am getting a bit closer to being done with the face.... and now.... THE HAIR. I am really not looking forward to working on the hair, to be honest. If anyone has any advice on that before I get started, please speak now. Anyway, this is it as it stands, in stage whatever.

    Thank you everyone for your help so far!

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    Moving this to the Critique Center. See you all there, and thank you for your critiques so far! Onward to ART!

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    Hi Dread_Reaper!
    Beautiful portrait so far! If you're looking for a way to paint hair, Linda Bergkvist did a wonderful tutorial: http://www.furiae.com/index.php?view=gallery It is a bit advanced, but there is a whole lot of good stuff in there. But basically, she says it is just paint where the hair falls, sense it tends to fall together in clumps, painting it strand by strand = bad.
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    Thanks for the tutorial! I hope I was able to put it to good use!

    Anyway, here is the current (and I think final) version. Any final crits before I end this one, speak now!

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    Much better, I like the texture of the skin. there are still lots of problems, though. The hair is the most glaring, it doesn't seem to belong to the figure, it looks pasted on, I think the problem is partly the lighting, there are highlights where it should be in shadow. You've also tried to draw each individual strand, all going in the same direction, and in looks like you keep going back and forth with the pen making them look broken, look at the tutorial Jillian posted, it's excellent.

    The eyes/eyelids look way off. Again, use reference.

    The deep shadows on right side (to us) of his nose makes no sense at all, your light is coming from the right, that side of his nose should be in the full light. look at Pesmerga_2501's paintover.
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    Thanks Martyr! I totally hadn't noticed that about the nose. Thanks.

    As for the hair, I will work on redoing it, hopefully have it done by tonight.

    The question I have though, is what is wrong with the eyes?

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