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    IDW #58: Propeller Driven Plane

    Topic: Propeller Driven Plane

    Background: Originally suggested by Epias, I decided to give the topic a twist after seeing some of Scott Robertsons' antique racing planes.

    Not only do you have to design a propeller driven plane, this time you also have a specific time frame: Pre World War II. At that time, the first single winged racing monsters started to dominate and replace the earlier biplanes, but these biplanes still existed well into the war. So, in this weeks IDW I want you to design either a biplane or a plane with single wings, as long as it is driven by a propeller. Huge engines and small cockpits are optional

    Note that this brief isn't limited to racing planes or fighters, you can also opt for a passenger liner (like the luxury flying boats of that erae) or a mail carrier, whatever you choose it has to fit the time frame. Exaggaration is optional, it doesn't have to be too realistic. A source of inspiration here might be the movie 'Sky Captain & the world of tomorrow' or the game 'Crimson Skies'.

    Brief:
    1. Design and draw a Propeller Driven Plane.
    2. The timeframe in this topic is pre-WWII
    3. That's it... now draw!

    Deadline: Sunday January 27 2008 (I close it the same time as the last one - only one day later )
    Last edited by yoitisi; January 23rd, 2008 at 12:27 PM.


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    any reference links avaialble?

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    so it doesnt have to be realistic or anything? When i read this the first thing that came to mind were the pod racers fom star wars with those enormous turbines and stuff I dont know much about the aerodynamics of a plane but i can still try my best to make it look cool haha

    I decided not to do the CoW after fozzy changed the topic so I'll give this one a shot.

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    nirudafat: Try googling something yourself I suggest, I suspect it won't be hard to find anything good. I put up those two examples just to show it doesn't have to be too serious or historically correct. Finding inspiration and reference is part of the process of designing.

    ChristianWeeks: It doesn't have to be overly realistic, however, keep it sort of believable. I realise Sky Captain might be a bit too much Steampunk, but try to design something that will fit in that time -technology wise as well as design. I based this topic on a couple of drawings in the book 'lift off' by Scott Robertson, where he exaggarated some of the elements of those old planes but kept it totally believable.

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    yeah I wasn't planning on something ridiculous and out of proportion or anything, I think I may base mine off of the red baron, or atleast the color scheme.
    But I just realized that TURBINES and PROPELLERS are not really the same things... would a plane with turbines be wrong in terms with criteria?

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    one of my favourite sites for reference
    http://www.danielsimon.net/
    Last edited by nutkin; January 23rd, 2008 at 04:58 AM.

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    ChristanWeeks: Yeah, turbines -and turbo-props or helicopters for that matter- are not really fitting for that time and place. Guess that's a no I know of an example where someone accidentally invented a jetengine even before WWII (Discovery channel has its uses ), but as he didn't know what he actually had invented that doesn't count. During WWII the first jetengined planes started to enter the battlefield, but they were still buggy and sometimes even slower than the older piston powered planes. And they're not included in this topic

    Nutkin: That's damn sexy that site

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    alright cool thanks
    ill do my best to work around that then
    and yeah, discovery channel haha

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    This one's gona be my debut
    Got some ideas sketched up that i might put up in a bit. Think I'm going to go muscle on it. All about power and speed.
    I think my design is probably the tale end of the time setting, but I've researched and everything I'm working from was around in the 30s, it was just waiting for the tweaks and advances that were brought by war.

    I've gone for a single prop monoplane with a somewhat hypothetical 'V24' engine giving it a really massive nose. They certainly had V12s back then and I know a plane was built with a V24 in the late 30's. I can only ask of a leap of imagination where power to rate ration is concerned however.

    Pics to follow

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    Maieth: Back in the days it was all about cilinder volume and cilinder count, so go ahead I'd say

    A little additional piece of information, I mentioned that movie Sky Captain as a source of inspiration with that huge British flying aircraftcarrier in my mind. After a little research I found that the main character flies in a WWII plane and is therefore not a real good source to base your own design own

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    K, so this is where I'm going on this one.
    Started by researching 30's planes and the technology available. Originally I was gona go for a rotary engine just cus they looked cool, but soon settled on a long nosed monster driven by some big V engines.
    Settled on two in-line V12s to give that massive nose and have built the plane up around it really.
    Image 1=WIP showing engine configuration and underlying basic structure
    Image 2=WIP showing 1st concpet of body I'm bulding around the plan
    IDW #58: Propeller Driven Plane

    IDW #58: Propeller Driven Plane


    Design is already changing fast though. realsie original idea is looking a bit too close to hurricane spitfire era planes so i need to bulk it out a bit.
    Image3=concept 2
    More coming, still working...

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    Last edited by Maieth; January 21st, 2008 at 09:43 AM. Reason: update

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    Inspiration (own brain storming)

    Inspiration (and my own brain storming)
    Not sure which way I'd like to take things but I've been sorting through stuff from my memory and bookmarks, posted some up perhaps as some inspiration for people.

    Reference in real-life:

    These are out of my reference bookmarks, there are some good ideas for non-standard aircraft here. The basis of the site is mid forties but jet designs aside a lot of the ideas have their roots in the interwar years:
    http://www.luft46.com/arado/arado.html
    http://www.luft46.com/bv/bv.html
    http://www.luft46.com/junkers/junkers.html
    http://www.luft46.com/mess/mess.html

    Reference in art:
    Porco Rosso (Studio Ghibli) – is set during the interwar period and features some less standard aircraft.

    Timeline
    WW1 – aircraft go from frames and canvas almost kite like designs to advanced biplanes and even all-metal construction.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPAD_S.VII
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_Camel
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_Vimy
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handley_Page_V/1500
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caproni_Ca.3
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_Russky_Vityaz
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_Dr.I
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caproni_Ca.60 - really good example for cramming on as many engines and wings as possible (whether it works or not)

    Interwar – rapid increase in aircraft size and numbers. Some mono-planes coming in. Seaplanes and flying boats are dominant for large long distance aircraft – mostly due to nature (or lack of suitable airfields). Engine power is limited by (if memory serves) lack of turbo or super charging but large aircraft make do with many small engines.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Seamew
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_R3C-2
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_S.6B
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Empire
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_G.38

    30’s (or just prewar) – most aircraft are monoplanes, generally all metal construction but plenty of wood and canvas versions still in existence. Maybe some of the pre-war designs are too close to being out of the field.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_ANT-20
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    D-Holme: Thanks for putting that up Except for that spitfire I think I agree with them as inspiration. The spitfire was basically brought into service and became famous during the war, and I therefore do not count it as pre-war.

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