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    Welcome to P.O.W.! You've had a chance to do creatures, characters, environments, machines, and random chaos for a while now. Finally, it's time to put it all together and tell a story.

    This is the ConceptArts Panels of the Week Challenge, and once a week, we're going to grind out the best comics on the face of the earth...and you're all invited. You WILL produce a minimum of three pages of writing and art unlike anything ever seen before, and you WILL love doing it. If you want to play with the big boys and girls, you're going to have to do what they do...and better, if you can. This is a challenge, not a contest. YOU are your own competition, not the person sitting next to you. All you have to do is WANT to do it...


    What we'll be doing:

    Once a week, barring interference from holidays, etc., a new Challenge will be posted by Midnight Tuesday, to be completed and posted TWO WEEKS LATER by Midnight Tuesday. This means that there be a one-week overlap to allow you to get your thoughts organized for the second challenge, with a full week to get your art finished.

    The subject matter/theme will be kept as open-eneded as possible to allow you the greatest possible latitude in interpreting the challenge. (If this proves to be a problem, we can change it.) The theme will be an abstract situation, a quote, or even a single line of dialogue, then you take it from there. YOU will write, pencil, "ink," "color" (if you wish), and post the final pages for polling by your peers.

    WIPs and ideas/sketches/whatever are encouraged, as is trash talk. We will be looking at creativity in both interpretation and execution, quality, and level of finish and all that other good stuff. Entries that are not up to professional level will not be posted for the final polling, but will be critted and discussed in the non-poll thread along with the others. This is a learning process, not just an excuse to show off (...even though some strutting and crowing is permitted within reason).

    From time to time, we will have special challenges that will involve collaboration, use pre-existing scripts, and other such goodies. We'll also be doing "mini-challenges" that involve Comics Covers, sequential newspaper strips and some other fun stuff we come up with.

    Special threads will be established for tutorials, comics discussion, suggestions and ideas and just about anything else that might pop up, so get your shit together so we can ALL see it.


    The Rules...

    1. Present only your best work. This is a professional-level challenge, and no WIPs, sketches, sloppy or incomplete last-minute artwork will be accepted for final polling.

    2. We will ALWAYS work to traditional comic book size (See specifications below) unless stated otherwise in that week's challenge description.

    3. All content of your entry must be ORIGINAL. No use of previously-published or copyrighted characters is permitted (A possible exception MAY be made for an obvious parody, but must be cleared by the Head Monkeys first).

    4. You are being given as much latitude as possible in interpreting the topic, but you MUST STICK to that topic or run the risk of being eliminated from the polling.

    5. Only one complete entry is permitted for each topic challenge. (See specifications below).

    6. No old art is permitted. Each entry must have been created specifically for the challenge.

    7. There is no restriction on the style or approach, and any content within reason can be used to fulfill the challenge EXCEPT what would generally be accepted by an intelligent person as pornography--images that portray sexual penetration, for example, or offensively detailed cruelty and torture or pedo. Simple NUDITY is not considered pornography. Modified photography MAY be used appropriately for backgrounds or minimal special effects, but should NOT make up the majority of the entry. ALL CHARACTERS MUST BE CREATED AS ART, not photography.

    8. Unless otherwise noted within the particular challenge description for that week, art may be prepared as black and white OR color.

    9. The deadline will be 11:59 p.m. on the day of the deadline anywhere in the world, but may automatically extend up to 24 hours depending on the Head Monkey's working schedules.

    10. Every page of your entry must have the P.O.W.! Challenge Number and your on-line signature followed by your page number so we can keep track of things (For example, "POW! 2...Whoever...Page 3"). Don't make it huge, just large enough so we don't miss it.

    11. We recommend doing your art so it ends up at a size appropriate for print reproduction if it ever comes to that. And save your files. We may all want to have some fun later with them, and it would be a shame if you couldn't participate because your cat ate the files.


    Specifications...

    Each entry (unless specifically stated otherwise in the weeks challenge description) will consist of a minimum of THREE COMPLETE PAGES of a "comic book" executed at the standard sizes noted below. You can go to FOUR pages if you think your idea requires it. Other specs will be in that week's description.


    Standard Comic Book Size:

    --Trim size: 6 5/8" x 10 1/4"
    --Live art area: 6" x 9"
    --Bleed size before trimming: 6 7/8" x 10 1/2" (1/8" in all directions)

    (Working hint... If you work up in size--and most do--a 10" x 15" page size will reduce at 66% to approximately 6.66" x 10", which is close enough for government work.)


    Posting your art:

    Post each page in order as a separate jpeg at 96 dpi, properly labeled as noted above, 10" inches high (this is to allow you to use the attachment function, which will only allow 10" high images). If you host your own images, you can post at actual size.

    If your art bleeds off the page, make sure you allow the extra width and height shown above in the "Bleed size," It's a little difficult to add it later if we decide at some point to actually print a comic collection of our efforts... (yeah...don't hold your breath, Bubba... ...but it COULD happen.)

    The announcement thread for a particular weekly challenge will be the place for rabble-rousing, trash talk, WIPs and roughs if you want to get crits and guidance, and will be the place where your final entries will be posted. A new thread will be started for polling. The Head monkeys will be the final word on whether you are entered in the polling or not--for example, if you broke any of the rules above.

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    sweet!

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    this will be awesume!

    Ilaekae - somebody said that it its good to work at 11" x 17", with a live area of 10" x 15" at 300 dpi. Should i believe him and go with that?

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    The 10 x 15 live area comes out correct at 66% reduction, but you'll have to plot out the trim and bleed sizes. My rough chicken scratches indicate those would be...

    42.


    No...wait...that's a different movie...


    They would be...

    9.94 x 15.375 (trim)

    and

    10.313 x 15.75 (bleed)

    Basically, if you're working on the comp, you've got no problem. Just draw a grid with the various "edges" marked and blow the sucker up 150%. If you're going paper, the 11 x 17 is obviously safe enough to work on. Just get a rough idea of how much you have to allow for trim/bleed in case you go the full bleed route.

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    thanks Ilaekae, but im still a bit confused what the bleed, trim and live are.

    i understand better with examples anyway. So if i was gonna do a page like this:

    Then the first and last panels would need to go the the edge of the "bleed"
    While the rest of the panels would be inside the "live area"
    Or am i wrong?

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    Assuming the page you posted is from a printed comic, correct.

    The "live area" is just a specified (varies) area on the page where most of the material sits, which on this page, would be all of the panels except for the first and last ones.

    The "trim area" is the edge of the page, where the printer chops it.

    The "bleed area" is just a "shimmy" area added to prevent annoying little white spaces with inaccurate trimming. The first and last panel would have to extend to this point. When the comic is finished, this little extra area gets trimmed off.

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    ok, thanks

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    I've posted a full-size sample page format at the URL below. You can down load either a Tiff or JPEG at 300ppi or 96ppi from there.

    I've also posted a 96ppi JPEG of the art below.

    URL for all versions:

    http://ImageEvent.com/aljmary/cacomicformats




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    Oh, this looks to be sweeeeet.... God, I hope I have time to play!

    I'm assuming the size of any original drawings on paper can be any old size as long as the final scanned, cleaned, colored digital file is the correct size and proportions? I often monkey with margins and things a lot after I scan pages...

    And can we assume 1000 dpi is a safe size for our original files? I've heard that's what some publishers expect...

    Also, is using a font for the lettering OK? I don't know if that's considered cheesy or acceptable these days... But I do know that I ain't a letterer, not by a long shot...

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    Gwenevere, let's see here...

    Para A: Wha', you wan' anudder month?

    Para B: Whatever cleans your clock, Dear (I'm assuming you're working UP in size here. Different matter if you're working postage stamp size, especially when considering Para C below...)

    Para C: What the hell kind of publisher is this? That might be the case for 300 dot high-grade fine-art printing (and even then, I think somebody's yankin' your chain...), but for most normal production work, 300ppi is more than enough, especially if you're working up in size.

    Para D: Fonts, handlettering, handwriting, cuneiform, wood-cut Fraktur...whatever floats yer boat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilaekae View Post
    Para B: Whatever cleans your clock, Dear (I'm assuming you're working UP in size here. Different matter if you're working postage stamp size, especially when considering Para C below...)

    Para C: What the hell kind of publisher is this? That might be the case for 300 dot high-grade fine-art printing (and even then, I think somebody's yankin' your chain...), but for most normal production work, 300ppi is more than enough, especially if you're working up in size.
    Definitely working up in size...

    The publisher, was, er, Scholastic. Granted, comics are not their primary business, so who knows what kind of weird in-house standards they have. Also they were referring specifically to strictly black-and-white line work, so maybe that's a special case? I can see where 1000dpi color would be a bit silly...

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    Then their specs make sense. In black and white, they assume they'll have bitmap scans/art turned in, so they need the highest rez they can get to prevent the art from turning to crap. Actually, they might be a little low for high-quality work...we usually asked for 1200 to 2400 ppi for complex line art.

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    Can a 3-4 pages include a cover? or a title Panel? What I mean with title panel is to have for example the first panel with a big Title.

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    Title page...Sure, if you have room for it.

    Cover...on a 3-page comic? Why don't we leave that for another time...

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    Must the story be a finished plot from the beginning (like "once upon a time...") till the end (like "happily ever after.")?
    I think, for a 3-pager a single sequence should be enough, no?

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    Correct. It doesn't have to be a complete story, just a self contained section that may or may not make sense (as if it were from a larger piece).

    This was posted in the original Challenge 1 post...

    "With only 3-4 pages, you obviously aren't going to produce one of the great opuses (opae?) of the modern age. Don't waste time explaining all that nitty-gritty stuff like "Why we're here...who we are (detailed explanation on my mother's side...)...where we're going on any future pages..." that kind of thing. YOU DON'T have the space for that! We are dealing here with a short story arc that could make sense within a much more involved and complex larger story arc, but if it doesn't, we're not going to worry about it. Just have it make some minimal logical sense so we get a feel for a beginning, middle and end...WHICH could be part of a much larger piece."

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    man i cannot believe i have missed the chance to enter in my favourite and art-driven topic/source at my favourite website!

    Better late and eager and ready than never i say!

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    I was kind of wondering where you were, but I figured you were busy at school.

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    Hi ya! So I was entertaining this POW business... but then I read this:

    3. All content of your entry must be ORIGINAL. No use of previously-published or copyrighted characters is permitted (A possible exception MAY be made for an obvious parody, but must be cleared by the Head Monkeys first).

    Now I can be a little slow at times so forgive me if this is a totally stupid question. Obviously this is in reference to Characters created by other people or professional studios... but what about our own previously created characters?

    All new character design on top of the min. 2 pages worth of panels is a bit much for me I'm afraid, even with a 2 week deadline. Plus I'd like to be able to make use of these down then road... when I brilliantly pull a comic out of my butt.

    So is it ok to use my already created goof balls for these POW challenges?

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    You're alright, Shan'...

    That refers (badly worded) to characters by OTHER artists... Spiderman shows up here in other than an obvious parody and I kill somebody.

    got the PM. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilaekae View Post
    You're alright, Shan'...

    That refers (badly worded) to characters by OTHER artists... Spiderman shows up here in other than an obvious parody and I kill somebody.

    And so you should... LOL!

    Great! Then I think I may make a lousy attempt at some panels.

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    Everybody here has that downpat. We're all workin' our way up to a serious attempt...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilaekae View Post
    You're alright, Shan'...

    That refers (badly worded) to characters by OTHER artists... Spiderman shows up here in other than an obvious parody and I kill somebody.

    got the PM. Thanks.
    Hey there kitten...you woulda killed me for "the messenger" POW then if I had finished. My first page that I posted was Dr. Doom...and the second page was planned as a splashpage with the Red Skull stepping into the room.

    My thought process on the characters was the established comic companies prefer to see their own characters in submissions rather than your own creations (based on their posted submission guidelines); and I was intending on putting together at least a couple of pages to send off.

    Is that really not allowed? No one made mention of it when I posted my page in that thread... and of course... I read the "read this first" thread about as often as I complete entries

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    Sundance:
    You're right, big companies do want to see their own characters. Usually, they have a script on their site you can use. However, if you draw their characters, the pages you make will be theirs, as they own the rights to the characters and the worlds the characters are in. So, you won't ever be able to publish the pages yourself, as you have no permission to use it all (also not in portfolio). Only if you've worked for the big companies and they officially gave you permission to draw that all, then you can publish that and make money of it. So, it's a rather big investment you make as an artist for a perhaps.

    Only if you clearly parody the characters, you can profit from it, but it's gotta be really obvious then. Shady grey area there, as it can depend on 'taste' and 'personal opinion'.

    When you create an original character, you own all rights and you can do something with that in the future. I guess that's also what Ilaekae is aiming for with the POW. Sequential pages are hard work that eat a lot of time. It's nice to actually have a chance to gain something from that labor.

    If you want to submit pages to the big comic publishers, check their site carefully. They explain the rights thing there, and try to help out the whole process of handling your pages. However, they get a lot (A LOT) of shitty art, so that's why you'll have to be spectacular to be noticed.

    Hope this helps out a bit.

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    Not being all that familiar with current big-name US comics (not a fan...), I completely missed your little excursion, Sundance. No harm done, but Cookiedough hit it square. Why walk a thin line when you can create your own characters with roughly the same amount of effort and possibly get yourself a decent long-term project. I'm even careful with parodies in a lot of cases, especially with Disney. These people are sharks.

    If you're going to make an approach to one of the major companies, it would pay you to check their requirements and rules carefully in advance, and take the time to do something specific for that application. The effort will pay off.

    Otherwise, why "waste" the time with something that you may not be able to do anyhing with down the line?

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    Interesting...

    *grabs ruler*

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    Read this first

    I didnt read this first.
    checked out other parts first

    i dont take instructions very well.

    congrats for allowing postings.

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