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    Moar Propaganda! 20/8/08

    New post should be someone down there.

    Old post: I've always had a fascination with Communist propaganda posters, and I wanted to try and recreate this North Korean ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._%28179%29.jpg ) poster for an Australian video game concept I'm currently working on.
    Any Critique is helpful, so feel free to rip this to pieces.

    Moar Propaganda! 20/8/08

    -Konskript
    Last edited by Konskript; August 23rd, 2008 at 10:59 AM.


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    i feel if anything the persons head might be a little small. It makes hims seem child like, and in propaganda proportions and perspective is very important. maybe a more aggressive angle to the image would make it as impactful

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    Oh snap
    hey Konskript (new name? eh, w/e)

    I've seen this like, five billion times already, but what the hey. lets see...
    I know what your style looks like, so I get the face and all that.

    Maybe the in-colouring of the slogan could be made a bit darker, it looks a little lost with the smashed parliament house in the background, and I was struggling to read it the first time I saw it, and even now I know what it says I was still looking twice. Or maybe darken the P/House, and lighten the blue in the text? anyways, I'm off to deface your profile like the irritating little git I am.

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    Chordate:
    Thanks for the comment, I can see what you mean when you say childlike, I'll try and fix that problem right away.

    Amphipterra:
    It looks like I just can't escape you.

    Yeah I'm still not happy with the wording, but I'll darken the in-colour some more and see if a magical breakthrough will happen.

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    It simply looks a bit childish compared to those soviet propaganda posters.
    Give the poster a more dark and dreadful look. (Atleast for a game like this )

    Less cartoon, more vector-based psychopath-pictures!

    Best wishes, Abee.

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    1. eyes are not angry.
    2. mouth is yelling, not snarling: "go way you bad thing" rather than "die a-hole die"
    3. boot is stepping up, not grinding under heel.
    4. he is wearing his dad's uniform.

    note eyes and mouth:
    http://www.holocaustresearchproject..../nazsaprop.jpg
    http://www.firstworldwar.com/posters.../pp_us_171.jpg
    http://www.billcasselman.com/grp212.jpg
    http://www.dennisyang.com/wp/wp-cont...esvigilant.jpg

    biggest issue I see is the original looks, to western eyes, more akin to a Japanese rubber monster movie action shot than a political statement; with understanding that it is aimed at a repressed people who haven't evolved entertainment-wise, both fall flat in conveying chest thumping conviction to "do or die".

    I like what your doing, just think the dude needs more chest, more agressiveness in the face, and some motion in his footfall.

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    I like it and I also like the style and theme. I think it can be made more dramatic through a more drastic perspective. Example:

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    Abee:
    Thanks for the input, I understand what you're saying about how it compare to the old Soviet stuff, I'll do some more research and try to think up some better ideas.

    Spocksleftball:
    You make very good points, and thank you for the propaganda, I'll take this back to the drawing board a bit more.
    Oh, and i just want to add, I think I might know why he looks like he is wearing his 'dads uniform'. I don't have a model, so I use myself for reference, and the combat gear I own (I'm a military freak) is a bit big on me :3

    AL-JA:
    Thanks, I'll try a more dynamic perspective, and thanks for the picture.

    Well, I guess i better start drawing some stuff up.

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    Updated with a new poster.

    Moar Propaganda! 20/8/08

    Its still in its... 'beginning' stages. Tell me what you think needs work.

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    I really didn't like where the previous poster was going so I re-designed it.

    Moar Propaganda! 20/8/08

    This one is based off an old Soviet poster. I think this is a huge advance from the last one which I'll admit to be pretty stale. Any input is welcome, so be sure to tell me what you think.

    *Updated with new picture*
    Changed the size of the helmet, the position of the eyes slightly, redrew the fire and re-arranged the planes
    Last edited by Konskript; January 17th, 2008 at 10:37 AM. Reason: updated

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    The helmet on the first new picture looks too small for his head and asymmetrical.
    The flames on the second one don't look very threatening, I think their shapes are too rounded, some parts look more like shiny bubbles than fire.

    The figures remind me a bit of Mike Mignola's style (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images...oycomiccon.jpg).

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    I agree it looks too childish, beside that, I have no comment becouse I don't see the point of that political course, especially communism....

    If you drawn some historical event or something, that's ok, but makeing Communist posters NOW, it's reiculous to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spocksleftball View Post
    4. he is wearing his dad's uniform.
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    I must agree
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    Occidental_Martyr:
    Thanks for the input, I'll fix that up now and I'll redrawn the flames more shaper to make them more threatening.

    thr0atcutter:
    I said in the original post these are for a video game and responded to the dads uniform point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thr0atcutter View Post
    I agree it looks too childish, beside that, I have no comment becouse I don't see the point of that political course, especially communism....

    If you drawn some historical event or something, that's ok, but makeing Communist posters NOW, it's reiculous to me.
    In war times, all of the factions (allies, Nazi, etc.) got their own propaganda posters and they are pretty much conveying the same thing. You can probably find an American version for all of these messages from the WW2 period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thr0atcutter View Post
    I agree it looks too childish, beside that, I have no comment becouse I don't see the point of that political course, especially communism....

    If you drawn some historical event or something, that's ok, but makeing Communist posters NOW, it's reiculous to me.
    You can appreciate the aesthetics of wartime propaganda posters, uniforms, etc. without endorsing the politics behind them. You can even use them to parody and ridicule such politics, as bands from Laibach to Marilyn Manson have done.

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    I like the "Beware comrades" one, it has the right threatening mood for a propaganda poster... His helmet is too small though, and you have consistent problems with eye size and placement through all posters. So I think you should study up a bit on drawing eyes...
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    Whyatt Thrash:
    Thanks, I'm actually surprised you liked that one, as I thought it was the weakest. I've been struggling with drawing eyes recently, so I agree with the eye statement. I'll practice a bit more with that.

    Thank you again for the input :]

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    1. This is good, but not exactly menacing. If that's the effect you are looking for, it's not working. I think adjusting the colors would help immensely. It looks like a poster for an old monster movie or something. Too primary.

    2. Skipping the helmet problem, I think this is probably the most effective of the three. Work on the eyes. I notice in each the helmet casts a strong shadow over the top of the face and so I think you are running into a tricky situation: how do you draw menacin eyes when only the whites and iris show? Maybe just mess around with various realistic menacing eye sketches and then drap a heavy shadow over them. and see how you can manipulate it to get the effect you need.

    3. A vast improvement over 1. As someone said, the flames need to be reworked. They just look a little too slapped together. Also, actual flames would probably not burn that high (I mean, I guess they would in a dresden-esque situation but I wouldn't begin to know how to paint/draw that kind of situation - and I think it would be too distracting to be a background). Try instead for a mix of explosions and smoke? Also, it's hard for me to tell on this monitor but the sky on the left looks flat (ie, you stuck a gradiant on the sky to the right of your figure but not on the sky to the left).

    I dunno though, I hope this is helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enrigo View Post
    In war times, all of the factions (allies, Nazi, etc.) got their own propaganda posters and they are pretty much conveying the same thing. You can probably find an American version for all of these messages from the WW2 period.
    I said I don't see the point of makeing those posters NOW, when all that regime stuff is over. I didn't know that was for the game, so I apologyse to Konskript if I sounded like an asshole

    About dad's costume, also, I did not seen the reply.
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    PearceShea:
    Thanks for the comments, it was actually really helpful. I see what you say about the 1st being too primary, I'll have to rework that one a bit more, and I agree with the shadows cast over the eyes problem, I'll work on that and try to solve that problem.
    Also, I see what you mean when you say the flames are too high and look kinda slapped together, I'll fix that up right away.

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    Its cool, it happens :]

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    I enjoyed making these posters so much I decided to put one together in my own time.
    Moar Propaganda! 20/8/08
    Be sure to tell me what you think.

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    Try desaturating your colors a bit. And avoid pure white as most of these were printed on cheaper paper stocks. While modern north korean propaganda may use primary colors-most of us will be more familiar with the WWII era style posters which used more desaturated color schemes. Adding some noise and small defects helps too.

    I included an example of a rework of your image- hope you don't mind

    Moar Propaganda! 20/8/08

    I like what you have going on. Remember- the communists emphasized the uniform masses quite often in their posters. Strength through numbers. It might look good with the same image repeated rather than individuals doing different things.
    Please PM me if you'd like an individual crit.

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    Prepsage:
    Feel free to rework the image, its no problem :]
    You're right about desaturating the colours and avoiding white, thank you for your comments, they were extremely helpful. You also made a good point about the strength through numbers and repetition, I'll remember it for future references!! :]

    I guess I'll get started working into this some more.

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    Big thank you to Prepsage, the man knows his stuff!
    Moar Propaganda! 20/8/08
    Very happy with how this came out, let me know what you think!

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